ya see, sixual repression has been going on in some cultures for milenia. Racial prejudice changes much faster. also; the diveristy of 'human' races has become extreme enough to warrant all kinds of 'pure' humans to band together. What's white and black when you've got green and decaying?

I'm quite aware that gay people have babies. Half the gay advlts I know personally have their own biological children. I was just stating why you had to be in a heterosixual relationship at the start of the game.

And seriously? "What part of the post tutorial plot has the baby been confirmed in?" I hate to say it like this, but in the 'common knowledge' of story structure and plotting. Todd specifically mentioned that the baby's appearance will be uniquely generated based off how you customize the parents. That doesn't mean anything more that changing skin tone on that generic baby-in-a-blanket model they have in the tutorial. So the baby is almost guaranteed to show up as an advlt. There is no other reason Bethesda would rail-road you into having the kid otherwise.

The biggest drama payoff is going to be meeting the kid you presumed dead, who never knew you as a parent, alive in the wasteland, grown, and leading an opposing force as the antagonist. It's basic Shakespeare. And you know Bethesda is all about basic Shakespeare.

Spouse dead? Probably. Kid dead? Nope. I'd bet all my money on it.

You didn't really refute my point. May have missed it entirely, in fact, in service of making inaccurate sweeping generalizations about human cultural progress.

I don't know why your hetero, that seems like a personal quandary.

200 yrs later?

Yep. Trust me. Player will wake up 200 years later, the sole survivor of the Vault, and it will appear wife and kid are dead. Only I'm betting kid got thawed out 20-30 years earlier, and raised by some faction - probably the Institute, and is a right bastard of a person.

Case in point two: The baby has a fixed name and a fixed gender. There is no way "Shaun" who is always a boy, doesn't factor into the plot as a character later on.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions there....LOTS of assumptions.....you may be right...May be wrong.....still kinda seems silly to get torqued about something that you can't possibly know, because you assume you know what's in the heads of others....I get how it's a big deal to some people, there's no way I'd ever play a game that forced me play a gay character. But I would wait and see if was something that I needed to be bothered about.....also, if my in game kid ends up being the antagonist that would be an interesting plot twist.....of course you've just ruined it for me by putting it in my head, lol.

Presumably, we're alive 200 years later for some reason. I put my money on Cryogenic stasis.

If the kid factors in, he'll have survived by that same method, I'd imagine. Or maybe he didn't get frozen for as long and ended up a ghoul? Who knows. Personally, I don't even think the kid will show up past the tutorial.

Sorry if I spoiled anything, but it's a rather obvious plot twist.

And I do feel like I have pretty good grasp of the writers' direction and Bethesda's especially. If you look at the pre-E3 topics, you'll find gkk7z and I predicted darn near everything revealed about the tutorial and story beginning very accurately.

You must have missed the part where I said that it still happens today, it's something that is bound to happen in our society (although it is letting up as people become more accepting). Some people just want to fit in, and they don't want to reveal something about themselves that would invoke prejudice and harassment from some.

Therefore, there are closeted homosixuals who marry the opposite six. Therefore, I don't see why the nuclear heterosixual family mold we get at the beginning of Fallout 4 is irritating people. There are ways around it if you simply have an imagination.

Also, what? I didn't say that the Fallout Universe *is* the 1950s, I'm saying that it's an exaggerated variant -- it's missing some of what happened in real life, but that's what it's based off. After divergence, the US A.) failed to progress past where we were in that era culturally or B.) Went full circle and came back to it by the late 2000's. The former is more likely. The extreme hatred of communism near the Great War is a sterling example.

Do we know the baby has a fixed name and gender? The demo may have skipped over a segment that involved specifying; there are already the 1000 recorded names, after all, it could easily be applied to the baby too.

Ok so the child somehow survived the blast like we did, and goes into cryostasis. For whatever reason he/she gets thawed out earlier than us and is raised by whatever faction instead of us being awakened early to raise our kid? Ooh or maybe our kid got thawed out early and turns out to be "The Feral Kid", raised by vicious dogs as one of their own and we encounter them in the wasteland!

as people have said pre war nobody would have been openly gay, in fact been found to be gay would probably lose you your job , friends and family. the PC can be gay but would have hid it before the war and now be free to be their true self

Im suspecting this is probably accurate, your kid woke up some time before hand and had something like this ending...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB9bPcyzK90

Going to voice my opinion, if the prologue to a game suggests you are heterosixual ruins the game for you, chances are you were never really that interested in the game itself in the first place.

It sounded to me like that's what he said. I thought he said that they recorded 1000 of the most popular names...I wonder if the kid get a random name or if we get to choose from a list.

I am 100% positive the baby has a fixed gender. The bedroom is decorated for a boy, and the crib is blue in all the materials shown. Also, there is a LOT of male specific dialogue about the baby. "He needs changing." "How are the two most important men in my life?" "Spin the mobile, he loves that." Etc. Maybe they recorded dialogue for a female baby, but I doubt it. And as long as we don't see Shaun being named, I'm going to assume that IS his name. Todd mentioned the robot had 1000 names recorded to call the player, but didn't mention anything about naming the baby, and that would have been the place to mention it. Also the robot says, "Shaun's been changed..." and the wife says "I've got Shaun! Let's go!"

So I believe the name is fixed, but I wouldn't bet my life on it or anything.

I just had another look at the demo, Todd Howard only refers to 'a baby', not a son or daughter.

First, play Bioware games if that kind of thing is a must for you. Multiple LGBT plots in your face in medieval fantasy.

Second, being married doesn't mean anything about one's sixual orientation.

I don't think it's ridiculous they want control over their character.

But Bethesda is all about their familial stories and back-stories in Fallout. If you notice in the demo, the player has a wedding ring equipped. The feels.

Did I accidentally log in to tumblr?

Some changes in dialogue and visuals could pretty easily be dynamic.

Yes. Especially for just a tutorial. The question is how prominent the baby is as plot character later on. It could be pretty difficult to have gender neutral dialogue for a major character, or record two sets of lines for everything. (4 sets, if you count female and male players, and two possible baby genders). Plus, what if the player named the baby something not in the 1000 names list? You can't have an antagonist no one can refer to out loud.

I agree. But it is a factor with some players. How many heterosixual teenage boys would play a game that featured a gay male character? I bet that game wouldn't sell many copies.

I completely agree that an established relationship throws off the whole "This is me, this is my story" aspect of the game. I honestly would of prefered that his sixuality was left unmentioned. For one, I am gay and I have never even considered dating a woman, let alone having babies with her.

I mean why couldn't we just play the son/daughter? Say we are in a stasis chamber. The chamber does not stop aging but simply slows it down. The baby was the youngest in the vault so he/she slowly grew to be an advlt. He/she got his education, speech, and motor skills from a simulation within the chamber. This is the simulated world he knew, a pre war world similar to Vault 112. He/she knew nothing of the war and he always assumed the world he/she was in was real. So when the others doe from old ages or other causes the stasis chamber to open up, releasing him into a world he never knew exsisted. And when he comes accross the robot, the robot simply mistakes him or her for the mother or father.

If they did something similar to that, it would of given us the freedom to be whoever we wanted. Gay, syraight, woman, mand, or whatever.


In the end though the game is awesome. I can forgive about the start of the game as long as I am still able to be who I want. Afterall, 200 years has past and evwryone you knew is gone. You can start a new life and have a new existence. I just hope they don't repeatly remind me that "Oh Btw I am straight and I had a wife with a kid"

However, this is Bethesda... I guess they have proven enough to be trust worthy. So I will trust their choice in the end no matter the outcome.