Wait. The game now progresses while accessing menus, favoring real time? For non time critical tasks, like reading, I don't mind at all, just makes it feel more realistic. But when accessing (if actually implemented) gear, to the point where it becomes some sort of RTS where we have to act quickly - just noooooo. At least let there be some way of pausing the game for us that is getting old and slow...

This...

Why would you not like this

I get most of my lore off the web. Reading the in game books with that crappy font(before I found a mod that actually changed it) made my head hurt.

However everyone else I know that played TES games skipped through to get the skill point and left it at that.

lol this is ridiculous.

Its a simple solution, but its not a good one IMO... Certainly not one for players that don't care about the simulated 'immursion', and just want to read the book.

(IE: I should be able to open the inventory during a fight with undead liches, and read a book about common Nirn herbs or an expurgated list of Nirn birds, if I want to; and then close the book and resume fighting. :shrug:)

It's very old news. I'm having trouble finding a link.

ah alright

Warcraft series.

Everquest series.

Both have absurd amounts of extensive lore. Unfortunately, Norrath lore(everquest) is a pain in the butt to find. The guy that does it won't confirm/deny speculation and won't put everything out in the open in case they need to change it. grr.

don't worry, the inventory in the g4tv demo paused the game. it's not a real time inventory so don't start freaking out.

So I'm not supposed to read text that tells me what item I'm using or equipping in combat, and I should be psychic.

How about no.

Wherever you heard about all objects being rendered in 3D you will freaking find out where this came from :facepalm:

Preferably you would be able to know what item you're using by seeing it in your hands.

I remember reading an article that mentions turning pages to read books in skyrim, however they said we did it in the new 3d menu system, not real time. This was a while back, and I only remember because I left a post at the article saying how having to go into the menu to read/flip pages was stupid, and it should just be like the old way.

ugh....

the inventory isn't real time, see the g4tv demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic6dKnv3WdU&feature=player_detailpage#t=210s

not true i never read the books when i started playing morrowind, it wasnt until my later characters and no you get the skill bonus as soon as you open the book

Excellent.

The only place I would want to see a real-time book is equipped in the hand for spellcasting. (and I might make a mod for that :chaos:)

I'd pay to see that in 3rd person... Poor shmuck, reading in an open field- out of no where a dragon just molly-wops him off the screen

I never read the books. Well, I flip flip flip pages, get points, move on. I don't like reading in games. I have real books in my house for that. It won't matter in my game if it's real time or not.

Perhaps if we are to increase our intelligence level high enough we can unlock the perk: herp derp which grants us the ancient ability to turn the page of a book with one hand. Are you serious? :poke:

What's the difference though? (What's it matter if a short story is in the game book or a printed one?)

And it shouldn't IMO ~However, I am highly in favor of (some) books having interesting, or useful information that is only ever gleaned by actually reading the book and remembering it.
(Think... a diary, and it recounts their younger brother always playing around that old headstone by the tree... and that's it, but there may just be something interesting there; and it would be neat if the game checked to see if you read the book when you were near it.)

Of course I was serious; but read the post in full context.

Frankly, I thought the realtime lighting concern was actually quite a unique and orignial idea. Even though you were discrediting it. The necessity of a good light source, such as a fire or candles, as would be available in a logical place to read (camp, home, inn, etc.) is rather cool. Also, I would like to retract the aggression from my first post, lets be friend! :thumbsup:

I wasn't discrediting it, I asked if they would prefer it.

There are two camps here. One is looking for a second life simulation of Nirn; the other isn't.

I [personally] would not mind being able to read books on a podium in a library, but If I took that book (and wished to re-read it in the inventory), I would want to be able to read it even if my PC was in a pitch black room. That does not preclude dropping the book on a table and reading it by candle.

First of all, despite the fact that we've already established the menu is not in real time... I wanted to address this post of yours.


To be frank, here... your logic eludes me. You're suggesting that REALISM would dictate that I -know- where every item in my bag is at any given moment of time, and would instantly be able to reach for it without a moment's pause... so the LOGICAL solution to the issue is to PAUSE THE UNIVERSE in order to imitate my ability to instantly find and locate something?

That makes no sense at all.

The idea that Real-Time inventories are bad because of -anything- you said? It's not just completely backwards logic... it's an argument completely riddled with backwards logic, that then goes on to pick the MOST BACKWARD solution possible.

"No one would sit down and dig through their stuff while a thing was beating them half to death with a stick (and if they did... they would not be scrolling though tabbed menus to find it ~meaning the delay is artificially longer than it would be because of the interface)."

I'm sorry... but tabled menus would make sifting through MY mountain of junk a -lot- easier. Sure, maybe if I only owned four items I'd see it as a bit cumbersome... but the fact of the matter is that it's -far- more organized and efficient than real life. In real life, you have to screw around with not only getting your crap INTO one insanely dimension-bending inventory... but you'd also have to worry about stupid things like your Pick-axe's head getting caught in the loop of your bag... or one of your draw-strings coming untied.

All of these things applied together FAR outweigh any perceived "artificial delay" you might encounter.

But the kicker is that you make the RIGHT solution sound as if 'PAUSING THE WORLD' is the right way to solve this issue. Pausing the world does exactly what you're saying makes no sense. You can sit down and dig through your inventory while something is in MID-LUNGE... and pull out the perfect weapon to kill it instantaneously.


As far as I'm concerned, that makes Real-Time Menus a fairly amazing idea. I'd love to see it done in an Elder Scrolls game in the future.

So books turning pages in real time? Torchlight? Anything along those lines, whatsoever? Yeah... count me in. I love it. I'm all for tossing out illogical 'tried-and-true' gameplay mechanics that don't make any sense with the technology given.

I must then humbly apologize, I mistook it for sarcasm!

I've kept up with the forums for quite a while without posting and I know what you mean...what tend to elude both sides is a balace between logic, desire, and mutual respect of opposing opinions.