I'd love to see fast-travel and a much-improved Horse system. Howard talked on the GameInformer podcast about how they would have to live up to Red Dead Redemption and other games since Oblivion that had great systems for Horseback.

Sometimes I wouldn't mind taking the scenic route and discovering things along the way, but sometimes I really just want to complete a quest. I don't play for total immersion, I play for fun. If I want to live in the woods, I'll pack up my bags and run through the forest shouting "Dovahkiin" until someone decides to have me committed. Tell me how magic is realistic, or a soundtrack in the background. The menu system? Save files? Non-permanent death? The game isn't realistic already, so why harp on "Well what about Fast Travel?" in terms of realism?

People in the world of TES walk to places all the time without getting attacked at all in their lifetime. People in real life have traveled on foot and could get around without ever once in their lifetime getting attacked on the way. What is so inconceivable about not getting attacked if you walk there?



MW's fast travel is still in the game. It's called don't use fast travel unless your in a town and only fast travel to another town, not hard to do. This all comes down to nostalgia instead of wanting a better option of travel than was previous. MW's fast travel is incredibly limiting, especially in a world as big as Skyrim and Oblivion. Oblivion's fast travel allows you to have tons of options of fast travel, such as you can fast travel whenever you want, not at all or use a Morrowind version and only use fast travel when your in town and only fast travel to another town. I don't know how many times I have to say this before people get it but the current fast travel gives you more options than Morrowind's system.

True that. It is all about game world consistency.



Yes, I can imagine. Morrowind ->Oblivion. Different perspectives, the key to understanding others.


Well, I hate Oblivion's Fast Travel system. Why? Because if I am out of a cave, low on health, it must be a life or death matter to reach a city or town. If you say, "make this part of your role playing. Don't use it." I am OK with that. Then if you give me my transportation options, we are cool. So I don't understand those people who want Oblivion Fast Travel completely out either. The "I can't resist" argument is just comical.

That being said, I wish luck to map-point-click adventurers but I am not one of them. If it won't bother them, I need random encounters, survival gameplay, in game transportation options to have the adventures in my dreams.

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OH geeze, oblivions system was lazy and poorly implemented I've said it a thousand times but Red Dead Redemption had a better fast travel system then Oblivion. And Rockstar has never pretended to make games as immersive as Bethesda claims their products are, but they succeeded on so many more levels than Bethesda ever has. At least their version of reality was consistent. Playing both RDR and OB recently I was much more immersed in RDR - mostly due to Oblivions horrible menus which includes the fast travel system. You're telling me that I can setup a camp and travel in RDR but I can't even buy a bedroll in an Elder Scrolls game?

The reality portrayed in TES is obviously much more detailed than that provided by RDR, but to relate these games to precious stones, a small flawless diamond is worth more than a larger diamond with an inclusion or two (flaw). Oblivion had several flaws like the fast travel menu that while necessary features, were not integrated into the reality they were trying to portray and so really hampered immersion. This is precisely like the argument of Morrowind dice-roll combat vs Oblivion combat, except OB is the older game in this regard.

yeh there is its called walking. it just skips past those part becuase people would get extraordinarily bored walking the same path over and over again. Thats why you dont see your person crap sleep or wait

I've got nothing against alternative fast travel, I just don't want to lose the convenience of OB FT, and I also have to correct things I judge as misunderstandings. However, I personally would like it to be more recognized that people travel around, like caravans and boats, just for immersion sake, kind of like Red Dead Redemption (Instant FT, but also trains/horses/caravans). In any case, if we get some kind of alternative fast travel, I hope we can stay with the caravan/mammoth/whatever in real time traveling the whole way, because that would be a great incentive to take the alternative fast travel (greater roleplay value without losing convenience if speed is prioritized).

I don't want to have to pretend that there's travel services. I will live if there aren't alternatives, but I don't want to have to make up for what the game is lacking, and I shouldn't have to.

This arguement is like saying " There are no longer different armor or weapon designs or even colours. Just pretend they look different, it's not that hard!"

Sure you could do it, but it wouldn't be as believable as it would be if they did look different. I shouldn't have to try to ignore faults so I can immerse myself, it takes away from it. A TES game should just svck me in, I shouldn't have to make a effort to get svcked in.

But the problem with that is if it's not okay to fast travel to a town when low health because you should die by then, how do you walk in real time from the cave and make it to town without dying?



But that's all your doing when your using a boat or a siltstrider, pretending your actually using a traveling service. Your not really riding a boat or siltstrider. People also need to realize that to make a redundant travel system, that takes development time from the rest of the game. Maybe add it in an expansion but to have two travel systems that do the same thing but one of them to be restrictive (travel networks) and one that allows everyone to do what they want including doing the same thing that the travel networks do if you use it a certain way (Oblivion/Daggerfall fast travel) is a ridiculous thing to ask from the devs in the vanilla version.

I would also like to see this in Skyrim. As somebody else already mentioned that was a really nice feature in RDR where you were traveling in a carriage and had the option to sleep if you wanted or ride the entire way. This sort of traveling system pleases both sides of the debate.

Perhaps there could be some sort of pathing system in place for fast travel that automatically starts up whether you are walking or riding a horse or even a mammoth! You could skip the experience if you wanted or you could just sit back and watch. It would be a big leap from previous systems but the concept sounds interesting.

You shouldn't even try traveling in the first place, realtime or fast travel. Seek shelter. Fix yourself. Try traveling next morning.

You've got to love how fast travel can cause so much heated argument between people who don't actually disagree on anything.

At least it doesn't turn as ugly as spear discussions.

Really, does the OP want to walk and waste a half an hour's time walking in between cities, REALLY :swear:

It's absolute ludacrious there is nothing wrong with Fast Travel and I'm glad it's in Skyrim. Good grief THIS ISN'T MORROWIND 2, let Morrowind be. Fast Travel is optional anyway and not everybody has the time to walk in between cities. I hate to vent but good grief this is really getting old, complaining about something that makes your life easier. :banghead:

It usually stems from miscommunication. It is one thing to conceive thought, another thing to communicate that accurately to somebody else especially through text alone. There are so many more variables when humans communicate in real life: body language, facial expression and tonal inflection. Over the internet there is so much lost in translation that many who argue do not realize that their preferences thoughts are not as different as they believe.

This is why "Why Oblivion's fast travel svcks" is a terrible thread title.

It's also why people should actually read the thread and not just the title. But we must work with what we have.

Shame on you for suggesting someone role play in a RPG game.

to me the main problem w/ Oblivion fast travel was that you were able to go to every town OFF THE BAT, this was lame.

gladly FO3 didn't do this, I hope skyrim doesn't.

"So much easier to get around these days. Not like the old days. Too much walking. Of course, nothing stops M'aiq from walking when he wants." M'aiq the Liar

Could do the same in Morrowind. And you could fast travel to more destinations right off the bat then even Oblivion's did.

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Seriously. Terrible thread title. Get a thread title that says something like "Extra fast travel options for roleplayers" or something along those lines (at the very least, don't call out Oblivion specifically). Some people don't care about how their fast travel works, and unfortunately, the way the fast travel debate has gone has given them the impression that you want to make them walk everywhere. You're going to have to take steps to correct that impression.

Also, evilsummoned, read the thread before you post.

That's the OP fault, if he wanted something like that he should have went with the title, Fast Travel, why it's good and how you respond to people who blast it.

Yeah I kinda missed the OP opening post but I'm just getting sick and tired of hearing the complaining about it. The system makes life easier why get rid of something that's not broken.

Because it's not the same. What's the use of Boats?
I remember traveling from a boat in Vivec to somewhere else, I landed in the boat area. Although I didn't see it, I knew I sailed across the water to get to this point. Morrowind's system didn't necessary force you to get back to the last place you've been to, you had TONS of options how to travel fast around the world, for example: Mages Guild, Silt Strider, Boats, Scrolls etc.!
Having so many options for fast travel gave the game a more complex point of view, gave you that feeling of thinking ahead, feeling you're apart of the world, and why? because you knew that if you're stuck somewhere you had only this 1 scroll that can teleport you back to the nearest temple, and if you used it now you may not have a chance to use it in the future.

Think about it, they create harbors, but their boats are useless? If they create a vast world full of mountains, full of planes for us to explore, full of wonderful details, lore, immersion and interest, don't you think it would be logical for them to make the travel system a part of the cultures as any? It adds jobs to the world, it adds NPCs, it adds quest ideas, it adds planning, it adds that feeling of "Oh damn, I have to be careful or else I won't survive the way back." Never have I felt it in OB, that same feeling of danger... to tell you the truth, besides looking at some beautiful views in OB, the game didn't grant me ANY kind of feeling, which I had PLANTY of in MW.

So, yeah, I support fast traveling, only in the way so it's actually part of the game, and not seperate. Cause it adds a lot, and OB fast travel system takes out a lot, mainly depth.

Oh, I totally understand. My main point in this thread is that the pro-travel-services-and-more-interesting-wilderness faction is terrible at representing themselves. But really, if you're not willing to read the thread, you probably have nothing to say by posting in it that hasn't already been said.

Still makes me laugh that those in this thread that advocate for alternatives refuse to accept the option I have set forth multiple times in this thread and in the forums over the time I've been on here. I say have a travel network but it's only available at certain times of the day because they are off taking other people around the province. It just shows their openness to alternatives is actually just a facade. They use this "alternatives" act just to push for Morrowind's exact system to come back in, which was incredibly flawed. I gave a compromise for a system that doesn't really need to be there, which was the travel network that has a schedule, that way it isn't an eye sore in a living world, which a static travel network would be.