This always bogled my mind, why does this view seem so common?

If you hold it, what made you see Ulfri as a racist?

OH GOD, do you have ANY IDEA what you have STARTED? *runs and hides*

Other than the fact he relegates the Dunmer and Argonians to what amounts to Windhelm's slums and considers them to be not much more than dirt, to name one example?

He didnt relegate them there. His predecesors did. 200+ Years ago. And relegated them to a place called Snow quarter. They made it into what it is.

They've made it that way because that's all they've had to work with. You're correct, my bad, Ulfric wasn't the one that originally put them there. But notice he's not exactly helping them get out of there? Mistrust of the Mer is rife throughout Windhelm, and Ulfric isn't doing anything to alleviate it. It takes winning the Imperial questline for there to even be talks of improving the place.

Brunwolf specficially states that when a Nord is attacked on his hold, Ulferic immediately sends help, but when an Argonian, Dunmer, Or Khajiit Caravan are attacked, he does nothing at all. Also, He, nor his guard, nor his right hand man, do anything about Rolff from doing everything but physically beat the Dunmer that he can. HE even threatens one dunmer women that he is going to come at night and kill her. How is that NOT racist.

a MAJOR battlecry/saying he and the stormcloaks have is "Skyrim is for the Nords"

*BAH, why can i not be smart and stay out of these threads*

The nords lived in the same place before them, and were forced to make room for them. And it wasnt a slum, look at the houses there, they are big and spacious.

The problem with them is - no one invested in the houses, and upkeep for 200 years. Because Dunmer still dont see the place as their own home.

Did he help Niranye?

Argonians and Dunmer are not joining his armies. So why protect someone who doesnt benefit you?

And Khajit are caravaners. Its impossible to protect them unless they are followed trough entire Skyrim by a band of Stormcloaks.

Rolf isnt Ulfric.

No its: Skyrim belongs to the Nords. Which it does. Every race has its province it calls home. They should fight the empire and scream "Skyrim belongs to the Imperials"?

And dont Dunmer say "Filthy Nwah" when fighting?

the king at the time LET them in (and gave them Solthseim) because he felt bad for them.

Those houses are NOT big at all, not compared to the other houses in the town. where in the game does it say tht about the upkeep thing in the game, or that the dunmer do not see it as a home. The few who mention anything at all like that, mention that they do not feel at home anymore BECAUSE they are treated like dirt.

next thing your going to say is that you actually LIKE Skald the Elder, even when he was made to be hated by every player.

I think most people assume he's racist because he believes Skyrim is for the Nords and says as much whenever you see him. The Dark Elf and Argonian situation doesn't help either.

They don't understand that he's saying Skyrim should be ruled by the Nords because it's the land of the Nords, not just another puppet for the Empire to control. He makes it abundantly clear that he doesn't care what race you are, as long as you're willing to fight for him or stay out of it altogether. People don't bother looking much deeper than the surface of things, so they're quick to make Ulfric out to be the TES version of Hitler (and quick to forget that the Empire wanted to execute them for being in the wrong place at the wrong time).

PKMN12, don't forget that he's fighting a war against the Empire. I'd say he's a little preoccupied at the moment to be helping anyone, especially those who are capable of helping themselves. He didn't kick the Dark Elves out of Windhelm to make room for the Nords, nor does he expect them to help out in his war -- the Dark Elves don't care much about Ulfric's problems and he doesn't care much about theirs.

Ulfric is definetly a rascist. He doesn't care about the Dunmer and anyone else but the Nords (then again maybe I should stay out of this thread as a dedicated Thalmor supporter...).

Ulfric leads a nationalistic movement that frequently plays on widespread racism in Nordic society. Nords, as with everyone in Tamriel, are broadly racist in earth terms - less so in the fourth era than the first, at least, but no better than the third. Regardless of what Ulfric does, it is the company he keeps that makes him easy to consider racist. Galmar, for instance, I would not feel comfortable around unless I was a Nord or a very well-integrated Imperial or Orc.

It is compliance with innate prejudices of the people that means the Stormcloak movement has much further to go in assuring a safe life in Skyrim for non-Nords than the Empire does. And Ulfric is a figurehead for that - the potential for violence. Whether that makes him racist is a matter of opinion. I know how I would feel about him based on political groups in the real world whose leaders are more "presentable" than the views which their members hold.

Down with the Nords! Down with Ulfric!

When he could have sent them back to burn or choke on ash.

And Ulfric could also have kicked them out. And do you know why those Dunmer arent on Solstheim? And what would happen to them if they went to Solstheim and Morrowind? They would be massacred by Dunmer for being Hlalu's.

There are 4 big houses, one of which is owned by a high elf. The other houses, including the Grey quarter ones are more or less the same.

They arent treated like dirt. They just dont want to interact with others. Go to Gnisis cornerclub and listen. They consider working for Nords a shameful thing to do. How do you advance in a place if you dont work?

Also, how exactly do they treat those under them? The woman who greets you when you enter, and claims racism is bad, and then goes to be racist to argonians and torture them XD?

Where's Colonelkillerbee when you need him?

Its worth noting other Dunmer don't like the guys living in the Grey Quarter either. "I lived in the Gray Quarter of Windhelm for years... it's a wretched place full of bitter Dunmer. Let's be done here quickly." but the Dunmer will brood on anything. Oddly enough, all the Altmer that live within the city do considerably well for themselves, so there's that.

They are HIS people, they live in HIS town, it is his JOB to protect them. Besides the whole racism thing has clearly already been a problem, why would they help someone who treats them like dirt. In America, there are MANY people who do not help the war effort, and many more who activley go AGAINST the war effort becuase they disagree with the wars premise, what you are saying is that you belive that anyone who does not want to go into the military should be ignored by the police and let them be stolen from, killed etc.

You can still arrest/kill the bandits that did it if they were in his hold, someone who does nto do thatis clearly being a bad leader

yeah, and? what does that mean? IF him and his guards were actually against what rolff was doing they would stop him from doing it.

again? and? You go to morrowind, and see A LOT of non-Dunmer there who call it home, and are even treated fairly by the normally racist dunmer (even the beast races are supposed to be treated fairly, but thanks to one of the houses saying "Screw that" it does nto always happen). You go to Cyrodiil, and see people of all races everywhere. In the real world, should immigrants not be allowed into other caountries. Should you be forced to live in america to consider america your home?

I Am starting to wonder about the seriousness of this topic, because even the most STAUNCH Stormcloak supporters i have seen at least TRY and think of better arguments then this,

If you protect them, they're more likely to join your army. And while there isn't much to be done to prevent a caravan getting attacked, you could investigate the attack and take down the bandits who did attack them. After all, they could also be preying on travelling Nords as well.

I think you're playing one side a bit more than the other. Company Ulfric keeps? Last I checked, General Tullius was getting pretty cozy with the Thalmor, and they're far more racist than any Nord.

Like I stated earlier, Ulfric is busying fighting a war. He doesn't have time to deal with the Dark Elves, nor does he have the luxury of picking who gets to fight alongside him. Galmar is there because Ulfric is fighting an uphill battle against a superior force. He isn't about to dismiss or punish anyone for their only personal feelings, especially when Ulfric generally keeps his brothers and sisters in check.

Besides, the Dark Elves don't care about the war. They don't care what Ulfric has to deal with, so why should he care about their situation? He's not only providing them a place to live, but protection as well since they're inside the city walls.

This just screams unreturned love:

Ambarys: "What's new with the Cruel-Seas, Suvaris? Have they given you one of those helmets with the horns on them yet?"
Suvaris: "What do you want from me? I work for them ok? We're not friends. They pay me, and I get the job done. That's it."
Ambarys: "Touchy. Maybe some Dunmer lives in you yet."
Suvaris: "Either pour another drink or keep moving, Ambarys."

Ambarys: "Don't you ever find it demeaning, working for that Nord family?"
Suvaris: "Look, Ambarys, I just came here for a drink. I don't need any trouble."
Ambarys: "Fine, then. I guess some Dunmer are content to be their pets."
Suvaris: "Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that, and you're going to leave me alone. Deal?"

"It's not the cold of Skyrim that gets to me. It's the stink from the people. "

There are bandits in every hold, in every fort. Its not bad leadership, its war. If he tried catching bandits he would lose the war, since he wouldnt have the soldiers to fight.

Stop him how? You can insult anyone in Skyrim without going to jail.

Yes, dunmer treat non-dunmer wonderously, with word foreigner having equal meaning as slave, and with all the Khajit and Argonians enslaved working on plantations.

as was already mentioned, at the first sign of ANY nord getting attacked he sends reinforcement out immediately (Whether they fight in his war or not), and NEVER does anything to help teh Dunmer. Yeah, great idea, kick out an entire group of people and watch them all go support the empire..........

and no, that only applies to the player character. As Both him and Golmarr are always talking about how the

yeah, okay, when the dunmer clearly have no problem with the argonians (heck you hear a dunmer talking about how she is essentialyl friends with one argonian)

BTW, I cannot take this topic seriously anymore, OP, you are not using ANYTHING that even resembles facts, ignoring stuff specifically stated in-game by both some of the Nords in teh city, and both the Dunmer and Argonians.

You're holding Ulfric to standards that the Empire apparently isn't subject to. That's a bit one-sided, don't you think? I don't see the Empire sending guards to protect the Khajiit caravans.

And have less soldiers for war.

Ulfric as a leader is expected to contribute the most. If he starts taking troops away from war to take care of his hold, how can he ask of his jarls to keep soldiers in his army rather than solving their own problems?

If after 200 years of living in a certain place, Dunmer stil say: We havent chosen a side because its not our fight, what does that tell you?

only with teh Thalmor because otherwise empire might not be no more, and plan on going to war again as soon as possible (it is a known fact the Thalmor planned the civil war EXPLICITLY to stop the empire from gaining anymore ground on being able to fight against them)

again, love how you clearly ignore the fact he does goes and sends people to stop bandits that attack any nords, but only for nords

He threatens to do a lot more than threaten all the time,

Telvanni were the only ones who kept slaves generally, and it was considered a bad thing in morrowind by most of the dunmer..............

About the Dunmer not choosing a side... most have chosen Imperials, theres even a secret room in the Inn where the Dunmer can plan anti-Stormcloak stuff.