Why do people fault the Thalmor for banning Talos?

Post » Fri May 24, 2013 5:17 pm

If it was Cannon it would be in game or officially published somewhere. It is not.

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josie treuberg
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 4:08 am

Besides, how many smarta**es thought it was a good idea to let Talos herd them like sheep?

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Alyna
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 7:22 pm

And it's not black and white, but that doesn't mean Lorkhan isn't a good guy.

Then I don't want to discuss lore with you. You're not playing with a full deck if you only accept what's in-game, and you never will be. It's blatantly obvious MK's lore won't be directly contradicted and that his contributions still retain in-game relevance all the time. Skyrim is full of references to his writing. The lore of the Elder Scrolls series is too vast and too complex to fit it in a handful of games.

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Julie Ann
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 12:15 pm

Let's put this into perspective;

The Thalmor seem intent on disproving Talos as a god. If it was a simple religious argument, then they'd also ban the worship of Daedra that are not affiliated with the Aldmeri pantheon, because that, too would be sinful. So where are the justiciars hunting Daedra Cults? Also, they give no reason as to why worshipping a man is sinful; the argument is basically "it's sinful because it is."

Furthermore, we all hit Soverngarde. Tiber is known as a Nord, and Soverngarde is the Nord afterlife. So... where is Talos? Gobbled up by Alduin? Or is he not there, because he's actually a god?

Also, check with Morrowind. The Nerevarine chan meet with a character named "Wulf," who claims that the Empire is getting old like him. If the Nerevarine has joined the Imperial Cult and met up with a certain seer, she'll tell you that it's a damned ASPECT OF TALOS. There are two other aspects of gods floating around in Morrowind (Mara and Zenithar,) so it's not like he's the only one.

Furthermore, in the Knights of the Nine, in order to defeat Umaril, you need a certain blessing, as well as the 8 items of the Crusaider, Pelinal Whitestrake. This blessing is that of Tiber Septum (who is Talos Stormcrown.) Hell, even in the main game of Oblivion, you're sent to find the blood of an Aedra- a god- as part of a spell to break into Mankar Cameron's Paradise. Guess whose blood you find and end up using? Mhm, the blood of TIber Septum, from his old cuirass. And it works.

Finally, there are Talos shrines in Skyrim. These shrines offer a blessing. Are you going to say that it's not proof of divinity?

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Brandon Bernardi
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 5:44 am

It is not cannon as it was published nowhere.

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Abi Emily
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 10:43 am

As I understand it, that quote was originally a forum post. Considering the nature of his other forum posts, it really needs to be taken with a bushel of salt.

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Lalla Vu
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 5:21 am

I'm not dismissing Lorkhan as evil. But I will also not acknowledge him as good. He is a deity, and thus alien to mortals. That's all I need to know. Anything else is interpretation. :wink:

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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 5:41 pm

It was published on the official Elder Scrolls Lore forum, where many developers have gone to add context and to expand on the lore. :)

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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 2:01 pm

Good lord, I butchered this reply. I'm not even going to try and fix it.

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Tarka
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 4:13 pm

Never thought of the bit about them banning Daedra worship. I distinctly remember a quote from Oblivion, saying that "Daedra worship is becoming increasingly prevalent in Summerset Isle," so that might explain why they don't attack Daedra worshippers with the prejudice they use against Nords. If anything, they see humanity as vermin and just can't accept the fact that a lowly human became a god, when no "high and mighty" elf has ever done so. Ha, sounds like jealousy to me. :tongue:

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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 7:37 am

You miss their point. They know Talos is a "God". It doesn't change the fact that in their religion, it's a blatant heresy. Even more so if you actually research what Talos the man(MEN actually, he was three people in case you didn't know) and the atrocities he committed against the Altmer.

I find it interesting very few people choose to acknowledge this. Or acknowledge the fact that the Nords are the only race to successfully commit genocide, on a race of MER no less - the Falmer. Yet they cry like little babies when the Thalmor interrogate a few Nords. lol, oookaay. It totally compares.

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Elena Alina
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 11:22 am


ah...three chimer became gods, several of the aldmeri gods use to be mortals, mannimarco became a god >.>
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Justin
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 11:06 am

Many of those forum posts became in-game lore.

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Sarah Kim
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 8:35 am

Really? Oh, well never mind then. I guess they just don't want humans joining their ancestors in divinity then.

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Emily Martell
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 11:32 am

They don't care that Talos is a god. They care that he is a divine. There is a difference.

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Nick Tyler
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 1:43 pm

I have proposed - along with others on the lore forums - that the Thalmor may very well be Jyggalag worshipers.


A man that committed atrocities on their people.

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john palmer
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 12:52 pm


No, it's to stop the recreation of Mundus.
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Roisan Sweeney
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 10:07 am

And if that was intended to be cannon it would also be ingame, no?

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Silvia Gil
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 4:47 am

Honestly, what's really the difference between a god and a divine in Tamriel? I don't see much difference as when people generally refer to the gods in TES, I automatically just think of the Nine.

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Greg Cavaliere
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 1:44 pm


There are toooooons of aedra who are gods that aren't part of the nine i.e. Sai, ebonarm, pelinal, morihaus, aldmeri gods and several others
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Bethany Short
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 6:35 am

To be fair... it could be added in the next TES.

MK's version may not be canon... yet. It's still something to consider though. We can't just dismiss it quite yet.

What he says is not law. But it does have weight.

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Jason Rice
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 4:02 am

Generally though, and I think I speak for a lot of people on this one, when we hear the word 'gods' in TES, we just automatically think of the Nine Divines. But, good to know.

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Katie Samuel
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 7:43 am

1. Summerset was never forced to worship the Nine Divines.

2. It's a problem because Talos is a god and an important one at that.

3. The High Elves are misguided regarding the sundering, and their tears help nothing and no-one.

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Nicholas C
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 2:01 pm

No.

For example, From The Many-Headed Talos was written after Oblivion came out, just as was the earlier quoted text about the Altmeri view of Talos was written after Skyrim came out. Even though From The Many-Headed Talos dealt with Cyrodiil and was written by MK in the Lore forum, it was not in Oblivion. However, it IS quoted directly by Heimskr in Skyrim, as he preaches it out for all of Whiterun to hear.

So no, not necessarily. You can either accept what MK writes and have the lore of TES be enriched and expanded upon, or you can reject it, and be stuck with a far more boring, nonsensical story.

For example, CHIM is referenced many times through TES. What is CHIM? You'll never know unless you read out-of-game lore.

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Jessica Lloyd
 
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Post » Fri May 24, 2013 11:00 am

Since when are they considered Aedra?

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