A lot of people don't really understand why the Thalmor banned Talos worship even when I feel as though they had a completely just cause to do so. When the Empire forcibly assimilated the Summerset Isles into their fold they also forced the Altmer to abandon their own Pantheon in favor of the Empire's. This also meant that eventually the Altmer were forced to recognize Talos as a God.

Why is this an issue? In Nord culture Talos is the embodiment of Shor, Shor is the Nord name for Lorkhan the Trickster. The Altmer absolutely loathe Lorkhan as he is responsible for the Sundering which the High Elves believe cut them off from the Spiritual realm. Most if not all High Elves view this as a tragic and terrible event.

So how can the Nords claim that they're so hard done by when in truth they did pretty much the same exact thing to the Thalmor? Just that instead of taking away a God they forced them to worship a new one which is pretty much the Altmer embodiment of the devil?

I've already been preaching this for months now.

http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/altmer-part-1-creation-the-aldmer-and-the-old-ways

And

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Halaluya

The Empire didn't say remove your gods and worship ours. They simply added some more culture for those who were interested. Same in Morrowind if I am correct.

No, not at all. The Empire had pre agreements with Morrowind, they joined the Empire peacefully under certain conditions, one of those being the preservation of their Pantheon.

Altmer were taken by force and forcibly assimilated into Cyrodillic culture. They were forced to recognize gods they did not wan't to recognize.

Oh hey guys! I hope you don't mind if we glorify the guy that unleashed a giant Dwemeri construct made through the profane use of the Earthbones to slaughter thousands of citizens and destroy your capital in the most brutal way possible... *takes a breath* as a Divine amongst divines greater than all your ancestors combined who is awesome cuz he's our hero and it's certainly not hero worship or anything, why you mad lol?

Talos guide you.

AE ALTADOON GHARTOK PADHOME!

You forget this,

What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:

I know you probably have read it,But for others,and people really think the thalmor banned talos for "Just being a man" They know he is a god

I think you yourself have a misunderstanding as to why the Thalmor want to ban Talos worship. It's not a matter of getting rid of a god they don't like, it's a matter of removing humanity from existence. If Talos is forgotten and no longer worshiped, humans themselves will vanish from existence.

Not quite the same as forcing the Altmer to recognize Talos. Lorkhan was a good guy.

Morrowind had an armistice that allowed them to keep their gods, the Altmer had to surrender in order to stop Tiber from using numidium.



What you have to remember is that we have actual no proof Talos is holding up Mundus, the goals are what the Thalmor believe but that doesn't mean it's correct, it's written from a mortal perspective and doesn't show any evidence to support the claim.

This is a misconception. There is no evidence anywhere to support that the Thalmor wan't to see the extinction of Hummanity. It is pure Conjecture, I implore you to show me a source stating they wan't to erase all of humanity.

The Thalmor simply wan't the world to go back to the way it was in the Merethic Era, when Elven culture was supreme and their own culture hadn;t been dismantled and destroyed by the Empires Influence.

He did use it on them.

...According to MEN. All games thus far have been told through Dunmer - who are lorkhanic, and men - who are Lorkhanites.

All of this is conjecture based on an out-of-game piece of writing. And from the Mer PoV, Lorkhan is most definitely NOT a good guy.

I can never battle with lore...

I don't blame you, Elder Scrolls lore is often confusing and full of contradictions from different sources.

Look above at what Stordrage posted, the Altmeri commentary on Talos. That's coming directly from the guy who came up with the White Gold Concordant. It's also been Altmeri 101 since Morrowind.

Then why would you ever side with the elves if all of our current body of knowledge indicates Lorkhan is a good guy? Especially when the elves and everything we can read about their views of Lorkhan scream of narcissism and arrogance? It seems pretty straight forward to me, and the point of view of the elves always seem to leave out the whole failing-so-you-might-know-how-NOT-to thing.

Even the Dwemer knew what was going down when it came to the Dead God.

The difference is simple, stumble across the roaming Thalmor justiciars and you'll have your answer after talking to them. There's an option to tell them "i can worship whatever gods I choose" (or something similar) and they respond "wrong, now you die". Then try to kill you
To my knowledge the Nords never stormed into Summerset doing the same thing to Altmer in their own land

If it wasn't, it would be boring.

Another reason why I'm pro Thalmor. Generalizations from a hostile group of people is seductive. One must maintain a neutral perspective on this matter. Despite how villainous Beth portrayed them as, I can still find reasonable reasons for their motives. Even if MK's view on them is canon. I can still argue a positive to it. Indeed, some on the lore forums already have.

I can't stand Black & White stories, and I refuse to accept the Thalmor as one-sided villains.

Nah, they just did it to the Reachmen.

You mean the stuff written by Michael Kirkbride which was never published in any Elder Scrolls game or literary source?

Yeah no, that is not cannon.

He also wrote about time travellers from the 9th era and exactly what happened to the Dwemer, non of which is cannon in game.

You know who I think of when I think of Men and Lorkhan? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mehrunes_Dagon

Narcissism? I posted an article in my first post. I suggest you read it thoroughly. I encourage you to do so before jumping to conclusions on the Altmer. There's a reason they are like that. And it's not narcissism.

I love how the lore of skyrim seems so clear cut at first, then so contradictory later on - I just dont know whose side im on anymore.

And let me get this straight, I learnt it off some guys sig: Talos created the empire, the empire outlaws talos worship, the empire becomes the puppet of elves.

I'll make your decision easy.

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It is pretty ironic. But really, the entire Great war can be summed up as the Altmer enacting revenge for what was done to them by the empire.

I find it much better to not believe in any religion, especially is if it's polytheistic. However, the Gods in this game are real, but have no real influence over the aspects of 'their' world anymore. So, if I may be so bold... why must religion be connected to Tamriel's governments? Haven't they heard of a little something called "separation of church and state"?

Well.. He wrote something about talos,Which Heimskrr even qoutes in-game Pretty clear bethesda devs read his stuff or have contact with him.