Morrowind>skyrim>>oblivion

It has it's flaws (like level-scaling), but to be honest it's still an amazing game. In fact, when you take mods into consideration it easily beats most other open world games out there. Some people are just too harsh on it.

In my opinion, modded Oblivion is much better than vanilla Skyrim.

I don't think Morrowind is the ultimate best game ever, but it's certainly the best TES game, and if Oblivion is bashed it's certainly not without reason - in fact, the reasons ARE given, but you just decide you have some kind of anti-elitist crusade to do and so ignore their actual relevance and just troll about them.

I edited my first message before your answer because I found it unduly harsh. I shouldn't have bothered, I was sadly spot-on the first time.

The problem is, when you need mods to basically redo the game, it means there is seriously a huge issue underneath...
(though the problem is nearly always the same : level scaling, and they still put the same crap in Skyrim, oh God... -_-)

I love all three of 'em, but I find Morrowind the hardest to go back to. I think it's the fact the combat is just lacking compared to either OB or Skyrim. While I also appreciate the NPCs having more than five lines of dialogue, having them read like a database isn't necessarily an improvement.

My biggest problem with OB was the scaling, but not so much in the "Bandits in Daedric!" kind of way. It's the fact that you would never, ever* find anything outside of your level. You weren't going to go into some random ruin and stumble on a bandit with a better weapon/armor than you should have at the time. Dungeon sameness aside, that kills a lot of the exploration - why dive into some random ruin when you'll only get the same Iron and Leather stuff you'll find on every roadside bandit?

Compare to Skyrim, and my new character just killed a Bandit Chief at level 6, and he had an Orcish Greatsword. That would never happen on OB. Skyrim's also written a hell of a lot better, has more interesting locations, a better sense of scale, and just manages to click with me where OB failed - and keep in mind I loved OB.

*Yes, I know about a relative handful of non-leveled stuff, but not nearly enough to make it worthwhile.

But that is inevitable.Mods will make the game much more better than it is,and truth to be told,I probably wouldn't get Skyrim if Bethesda had announced that the game wouldn't support mods.

Oblivion is the worst game in the series because its a marketing [censored]. They dumbed the gameplay down so much that unlike any other RPG, I felt that Oblivion had no sense of progress. I quit the game after checking out every city and seeing a lack of meaningful content. Everything was very stale about Oblivion. What annoyed me more than anything is the zoom-in to the NPC's ugly Down Syndrome face as I'm trying to play that absolutely [censored] persuasion minigame.

I thought Skyrim would svck too, but I'm pleasantly surprised. They really went and fixed what was wrong with Oblivion, especially regarding story and NPC interaction.

Overall , I prefer Oblivion over Skyrim

Its popular to hate Oblivion here and ignore the problems in Morrowind. I do the same, but other way around. It is indeed kind of personal crusade against elitists. Most of the time it's useless but fun. Like now. :vaultboy:

people say that because of nostalgia, in this world people tend to say the old days were always better

Morrowind was a lot more character-based, you had to work with the skills you got.

Oblivion and Skyrim, you can do anything with any character if your player skills at minigames are high enough. Seeing as we humans are good at learning by repetition, the net result is that everybody can do everything after playing the game for a few hours. On the other hand, the player-skill focus means that the game can feel less artificially limiting - you are less conscious of the stats as a player, and don't end up screaming 'what? but I hit him in the face!!!' nearly as often.

I prefer a character-based focus. Visually, it could be done a lot better these days than it was in Morrowind (eg. miss / fumble animations instead of your sword going straight through things). But TES has gone in the other direction, which is fine... they are still great games.

Also, Morrowind had a 'deeper' setting than Oblivion somehow, in my opinion. It's hard to put a finger on what it was, and it's not just that the environment was so alien.

Part of it was definitely the relationships between factions, something that Oblivion mostly ignored. And each faction was well-thought-out and had a history that actually mattered. Oblivion never 'shoved the lore in your face', which I'm sure was a conscious design decision, but not one that worked for me. Skyrim is a big step back towards Morrowind in this regard, which makes me happy

It's like how minecraft "Alpha" players constantly complain about minecraft Beta players and the direction of the game development after it went "mainstream". It's just cool to be part of the "early adopter" crowd and complain about everything that has happened since the "good old days" when you started playing. I played Morrowind first on xbox, loved it (later got it on PC). Then I played Oblivion on PC, loved it. Now I have Skyrim, and I love it too. I loaded up Morrowind again the other day. I really don't miss it at all. It was great for it's time, but this whole putting it up on a pedastool is pretty ridiculous. It has a cult following and a lot people get very "emotional" about it, that's all.

For RPG elements, Morrowind was by far the best of the latest three. But as far as looks, well Skyrim for me of course, but as technology gets better, so do the graphics.

I play Bethesda games for their large explorable worlds, but Oblivion barely had anything worth exploring because it relied on level scaled creatures and loot for everything. While there are a few exceptions, most of Oblivion's dungeons had nothing unique in them.

It was always creatures appropriate to your level with loot appropriate to your level. I entered dungeons to train my skills against monsters, not because I wanted to know what I could find inside. Because there wouldn't be anything.

I still liked it and used many mods to solve these issues on a second playthrough, but it doesn't compare to Morrowind or Skyrim when it comes to having an interesting, believable world to explore.

Well actually, level 25 was the max enemies would scale to, while you could keep leveling. But "literally" everything?? No way, the world didn't scale, it remained the same.



Pretty much, just different layouts, but the sections were copy and paste jobs.



How so? Bravil didn't look like Skingrad for example. Besides, stone is stone for the rest outside of the Imperial City



Completely untrue on this remark: were there not mountains, snow covered areas, forests, swamps, etc? I hardly call the features I listed "mostly the same".



What lore? It is TES lore, and Oblivion fit right in with everything that had been made before it.



Agreed on this last part.

It was so dead. It was boring. You ran too fast!

I really did like it, however.

Oblivion is a great game, it simply isn't as good as Skyrim or Morrowind.

Well, if graphics don't bother you too, I guess I'd have to ask what a "true RPG" is to you as many people have different definitions of what role playing is? I am not saying (whatever your definition is) that Morrowind cannot be that for you, but I would like to see your definition. Morrowind was awesome, but the best RPG features any game in the TES series had by far is, Daggerfall, IMO. Player agency is a huge part for me in role-playing and Daggerfall actually provided for with six possible endings, each having different consequences. Sure, the graphics are bad looking, but that is by today's standards (it was great looking in "96"). If going by looks and using RPG elements, Dragon Age: Origins blows anything away from Morrowwind on forth.

Oblivion was my favourite game of all time. I played Morrowind back in 2004, way before Oblivion, and just didn't like it.

However, once you play Skyrim, it makes Oblivion seem...limited. Just, everything in Skyrim seems hand crafted (which is is), while a lot of Oblivion was using a "Generate Region Here" button. The dungeons still use lego kits, but the variation in each one is so much that thy all look unique, along with their own little stories. NPCs have their own personalities, better voices. The visuals are stunning, the variety in landscapes are superb, and level scaling actually works. Everything just comes together nicely.

I think the problem was that Oblivion was far too limited to the technology of the time (not so much the hardware, but the engine). It's still a great game for me, but playing Skyrim really highlights its flaws.

I thought I was alone in that department. All that angsting of wanting to play Oblivion more than Skyrim...

But yeah, compared to Skyrim, Oblivion is found wanting.

Still an amazing game, though. Nothing wrong with wanting to go back to play it.

The places were different but technically of course.But I agree with the previous post you quoted,in terms of how it felt.
The cities were different but not different enough.I need to concentrate and recall my memories of a few years back to remember how Anvil was different from Skingrad.They were not that memorable.Same goes for the landscape.

In Morrowind,the change between architecture was much more visible.What's more,is it was not city exclusive,it was region exclusive.There were multiple cities sharing the same architecture,and you could tell what guards were present by looking at the buildings.

In other words, you troll, as it was obvious from the very first post.
It's useless and just being a wanabee [censored], but I guess little minds are easily amused by it.

And people tend to use the "nostalgia" cliché each time someone doesn't find the newer stuff better, regardless of it being even relevant.

"I prefered this kind of gameplay/lore/mechanism/whatever."
"Man, it's nostalgia speaking !"

:rolleyes:

Two words.
Level scaling.

Oblivion wasnt so bad, just wasnt realism enough and got bored playing it. Skyrim does have better atmosphere than Oblivion, hopefully someday modders will recreate it and have it connected to Skyrim as well other provinces around it and so on through out the whole continent. Would be cool if they did.

Primitive graphics? Bah! :laugh: I still get immersed playing the original Bladur's Gate, and that thing used sprite animations. :biggrin:

The most important thing in a TES game for me,is immersing myself in a foreign culture and landscape.And to this day Morrowind is unbeatable although Skyrim completely trumps it on gameplay.Morrowind was pretty uncompromising on its lore and culture

Oblivion is a fine game but I could never get over the way they gutted the lore for Cyrodiil in order to make it a fantasy forest.The reason for the change given is that Tiber Septim cooled the climate down when he became emperor because his legions didn't like jungles.

"'You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.'"

Riiight.