I've heard a lot of crap said about Oblivion, and I just want to know, why do people say Oblivion was so bad? And that Morrowind is so much better? And out of the three, Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind which one is the best? Personally, I like Skyrim the best, but that's just my opinion

Everyone has their opinion.

Unfortunately a lot of times the opinion that is said the loudest starts being perceived as the general opinion.

Far from hating Oblivion, it will always be my favorite game of all time, and IMO, it was better than Skyrim. To each his own, though.

Wrong section. I am not sure but I loved oblivion better than skyrim overall.

Never played Morrowind. Played Oblivion twice and loved it. But here's the thing - do an experiment. Go play Skyrim for an hour, then save and quit. Go load up a character in Oblivion and see the difference. I did this last night and the difference was shocking.

Here are some reasons I thought Oblivion was kind of bad:

1. Literally everything scaled with you. When you got to level 40 or so bandits were running around wearing daedric armor.
2. All the dungeons looked the same.
3. Most of the towns looked eerily similar as well.
4. The land was mostly the same.
5. It did not fit in with lore well.

However, if you add mods Oblivion becomes one of the most amazing games I have ever played.

Considering graphics don't phase me at all, I think Morrowind is still the best true RPG out of all of them. The immersiveness is just way greater.

Skyrim is close behind though. Funny, I should think Oblivion is better in that regard, but just everything about Oblivion....was meh.

Morrowind - 9.5/10
Oblivion 5/10
Skyrim 8/10

See, here's the thing. How do you get immersed in a game with primitive graphics? I mean, I can understand finding Morrowind immersive back when it was state of the art, but now? Like I said, I played Skyrim for a week then showed it to my brother, then loaded up Oblivion to show it to him, and I was amazed at how Oblivion, which just a week ago struck me as incredibly immersive, now looks like the stuff I was playing back in the mid-nineties. Not literally, of course, but the whole thing felt like a cartoon world. The vegetation in southern Cyrodil was a vivid green you don't see anywhere in the real world - maybe in a Super Mario Brothers game.

None of which means I'm knocking Oblivion, just that Skyrim is so far beyond it in terms of graphical representation of the world, and hence in immersiveness, that the comparison is staggering to me.

I can't say anything bad about it I loved oblivion. I have owned it twice an enjoyed every minute of it which reminds me I still need to finsh getting the achievements for oblivion I just might do that an wait for the patch to install skyrim to the hdd.

It all comes down to opinions great sir lol
Me personally in my own opinion when it comes to Oblivion vs Skyrim = not quite sure yet :confused:
As for Morrowind I have no right to say being that I never really played it so yeah :shrug:

A whole lot of people starting playing TES with Morrowind. It is to be expected that their first game would be the one they feel strongest about. I played Redguard before Morrowind, but I don't think it really counts as a TES game. Morrowind will always have a special place with me just because it is doubtful that any game will grab me the way it did. Honestly, I'm too old to be caught up in a game the way I was with Morrowind; I don't have the time now. Besides nostalgia, the games play considerably different. Morrowind was kind of the last great RPG of its era. Oblivion was the start of a new one with considerably different mechanics. A lot of people prefer the way things were in Oblivion and are in Skyrim (more do than don't, I believe), but there are some people who prefer Morrowind and would have preferred that Oblivion and Skyrim just tweaked the Morrowind system a little bit and added gorgeous graphics. However, I think the type of people who prefer Morrowind are more likely to post on the forums about it than the people who prefer the newer systems are. That's definitely the case during the off years.

Morrowind was a great rpg for it's time, but I think its slow pace and immense size alienated a lot of gamers. Oblivion managed to correct those flaws, but introduced new ones, like a lack of plot depth and fewer spells, factions etc. It did however bring a lot of new people into the series.

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What totally killed Oblivion for me was the scaling. I thought it really cool until having played a week and meeting a bandit in full deadric armor. That was it, didn't touch it for at least a year or two.
Then with mods, it was pretty awesome! But Vanilla Oblivion? svcks big time (Oblivion gates, biggest nuicance ever!). I think in all these years I didn't finish the main questline once.

Morrowind for me was the most immersive of the series. The whole strange region of Morrowind, you actually got a description on where to go and had to find it by yourself, the various ways of travel, the spell crafting, the not celled cities, levitation, the story, ... I could go on and on.

Skyrim is really great and I enjoy it very much. Way more than Oblivion when it came out! Still, even Skyrim doesn't stand a chance against Morrowind. But again, let's see what the modding community suprises us with .

ngh people tend to get butthurt when discussing these things, i prefer Morrowind out of the 3D Elder Scrolls, it has more features like cool spell crafting and by the end of it you feel like a god (hell you can even kill a god or two)

it had slightly more depth in gameplay (character development and the spell crafting stuffs) and the world felt like there was a proper culture with all the different religions and orders, Oblivion and Skyrim both do that but it doesn't feel as believable or interesting to me


with Oblivion it was very messy, it went for a sandbox type thing but then restricted all it's planned features so the game wouldn't go weird (radiant A.I. was toned way down) all the towns were closed off and had to be teleported in when you clicked on the front door, there was not as much landscape variety and it felt smaller, it was kind of like a big circle, i did have fun with Oblivion but it felt like a graphical leap but a step backwards in gameplay\scope\story\something


Skyrim feelsa lot more like Morrowind in how the world is designed (and has a good story), they have made a very pretty and interesting place, this time gameplay has been both dumbed down and also made more interesting so i dunno i'm mostly happy with it they just didn't think the leveling system up well since it's really inconsistent as far as XP\leveling up goes (smithing just skyrockets from making iron daggers, Muffle will skyrocket Illusion) and has some very uninteresting perks

just a personal though i would have liked to see a lvl up sphere grid like FFX had, you could work it into the constellation design pretty easily and it's an enjoyable little level up system

anyway

Daggerfall and Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion (they are all good games though)

I really like Oblivion.

I wouldn't say Oblivion was bad, it just wasn't a very good Elder Scrolls game by comparison.

Funny, I didn't feel that way until I played Morrowind afterwards. Before having experienced Morrowind, I was of the opinion that Oblivion was the best RPG to date (even better than Ultima VII).

Skyrim
Morrowind
Daggerfall
Oblivion
Arena

That's how I rank them as of today.

Just an opinion. Like everyone else's.

IMO, Oblivion was great, thou it seems many who played TES3 thought oblivion was disappointing. Oblivion was my first elder scrolls, and I didn't know what I was about to play which added to excitement of the game. When skyrim was released I knew what to expect, but after playing it, there is no way I'm going back to Oblivion. You can call Skyrim a much improved revamped oblivion, but it needs some changes "cough" destruction magic "cough".

The marvelous thing about Morrowind in addition to being very open ended as Skyrim and Oblivion are, was that it was clearly made for the PC. It didn't hold your hand and we PC gamers often don't want our hands held. I think simultaneous release on the console has for the most part hurt PC games including TES games. I still remember Arena as the best RPG of its era.

At least the level scaling with bandits having glass armor doesn't happen in Skyrim. There does seem to be some level scaling, but there are also always creatures around that could kill you at low levels such as the giants. I love Skyrim but don't really like its interface very much. It's too FO NV. And I remember stats fondly though I don't exactly fondly remember the aspect of powergaming them to make sure endurance increase was 5 per level. There was always a spreadsheet for that which made the game a bit less fun.

Is it my imagination or do many of the colors appear somewhat muted in Skyrim compared to Oblivion?

It's not that simple. Oblivion was an amazing game back in 2006, perhaps even the greatest game of its time. But you can't really compare a two games of the same series developed so many years apart, today. You can only compare your fresh outtake of both games.

You can't really compare the two now, but what you can compare is how you liked Oblivion back then as compared to how you like Skyrim right now.

Because some of us don't allow our ability to become immersed to be hampered by such a shallow reason? Hell I can still go back and play FF6, which uses sprites and pixel graphics, and still be amazed by the story and how easily I can be drawn into the game. A good game is still a good game, regardless of how [censored] it might look in comparison to the newer releases.

One simple reason people prefer older games to newer ones is for sentimental purposes. Many people will choose the game they have the fondest memories of playing - and we tend to choose the older ones because they are the most initial experiences we had with TES. This reason isn't logical, it's merely emotional.

With that said, here are a few reasons some people prefer Morrowind over Oblivion or Skyrim:

- A simple, yet extensive array of attributes to customize your character with. While perks are designed to give players a more flashy and unique customizing ability, some people find it gimmicky.
- Some would say the level scaling in Morrowind was perfect. (While they ignore that it's extremely inhibiting)
- In contrast to it's sequels Morrowind's geography was unpredictable and uncertain. This is partly because Morrowind is just a foreign and alien province, but also because the developers did a good job designing it. Oblivion, on the other hand, was basically one giant valley with very predictable environments and dungeons. I have no beef with Skyrim, though.

Don't get me wrong - I loved Oblivion and I'm absolutely addicted to Skyrim. I just have a few reasons to love Morrowind just as much, if not more so, than Skyrim.

Morrowind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3NwfnRTZjE

So my 2 cents. I have played TES since Arena. The concept at the time, was great. Decent, but was very limiting. THIS was the generic dungeons, landscape etc... Oblivion no where near the way Arena was. Daggerfall, great story, unfortunately very buggy and I was frustrated through out. Morrowind. Leaps and bounds better than the previous two. Ideas, stories, and a lot of customization. Really good for its time. Oblivion really wasnt that bad. (mine was modded) which made the experience better. Skyrim for being right out of the box, pretty good.
It's all a matter of perspective. I play to enjoy it for all the positives. If I sit back and tear apart every game I ever played and not look for the positives it would make me not like games anymore. Anyway, the experience of roleplaying in any TES game is rewarding for the fact, that this is one of the few game series left for a single player. (other than Bioware)

The only downside of MW is its technical properties.You can update some of them,you cannot touch some...But for graphics maniacs,here is the upcoming expansion of Skyrim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-67c3JxIE&feature=related

I love Oblivion. Ppl who dont like Oblivion - didnt tried mods like FCOM