Effectively, the big issue, to me, is that I don't even see any angle from which to view Ulfric as anything else than a power-hungry racist dictator.

Not to mention the consignment of Dunmer to the grey quarter, the Argonians - who, by the way, are working and don't complain/whine all that much, they are completely denied from entering the city at all! So that's one massive, massive 'against' to the Stormcloaks.
Another issue, you gain the knowledge that the Thalmor consider Ulfric - due to his rebellion - an asset of sorts. Given that, obviously, the Thalmor must be opposed, there's another strike for Ulfric, who is inadvertently aiding the real baddies.
Now, the rulers supporting the Sotrmcloaks... Some are outright bigots (e.g. Winterhold, the jarl is against all magic even though the college is the only thing left for his city, or Dawnstar, where the jarl is persecuting two of his inhabitants just becuase they were, in the past, working for the legion.) Also, he is on the same side as the Silver-Blood family, who are just plain bastards. Another strike for Ulfric.
Additionally, if you read the in-game book "The Bear of Markarth", you know that Ulfric, on retaking the city from Reachmen, slaughtered not only the men, but also the women and children, even after they had surrendered! Another strike...
Furthermore - speaking to Solitude's courtpeople, you know that Torygg would actually have supported Ulfric's claim of disbanding from the empire - but Ulfric was either too powerhungry for the throne himself, or too blind to politics, that he went and challenged Torygg to a duel, where he had a magical advantage. I don't know if that would count as a fair duel or not - seems like an abuse of the Voice and the way of Greybeards, but then again Talos also used the Voice in battle, so.. Idk. I can't say this gives any positive light on Ulfric.

So there's all that. I can't really think of an argument that would convince my character - who is Argonian, just to recap - to side with Ulfric.

Why should an argonian be dragonborn? I reckon bethesda need to explain how a creature from the other side of the world is the dragonborn.

Dragonborn is a gift from the gods. Not race specific.

I thought the kind of lore answer to that was it is more a question of "soul" than genetics or location. The big god makes you dragonborn not your parents.

Sorry X2, I really want to feel better about it but I dont think it suits any race except Nords. I think X2 they would join Ulfric for the same reasons as any other race. But I like to get really into it and if I were you I wouldnt get involved though I would like to see what he carries around.

Well, if you were kind of a shady Argonian looking to make life easier for yourself in Skyrim, you could say that by joining Ulfric's side and openly supporting Talos, you're making the natives of Skyrim like you and support you more despite the racism against your people. Even if you don't like the cause, you can still work for it if it benefits you.

...I haven't gotten that far in the main quest or the Imperial/Stormcloak questline yet though so maybe something happens that invalidates this idea. (By the way, total spoilers in the original post!!)


I dunno, pulling some reason out my ass :wave:

Well, since the Septims are Imperials, that would mean the dragonborn can't be nord either. I support that the dragonborn is a gift from the gods rather than race or province related.

I don't think he was talking about dragonborn. He was talking about siding with Ulfric

No i agree with OP. It was an answer to the quote in my post =)

I'm refering to when Tiber Septim (Talos) climbed the 7000 stairs to High Rothgar as a dragonborn. Just to clearify what i mean.

Don't side with him at all? If you really want to side up with him, here are some possible reasons:

- Money. Your character could be a simple merc not giving a [censored] about anything but his own ass.

- Science. You do some explorations in their quest line.

- Betrayal?

- Slavery?

I like betrayal - help Ulfric seize Skyrim, stab him in the back (or challange him to a dragon voice duel and see how he likes it) and declare yourself High King! Some loremaster somewhere would explode from the "but that can't happen" factor, but Argonians never say never.

Well there is a choice...so no, the Argonian shouldn't. Maybe a Nord would, maybe a Dark Elf would just try to kill Ulfric. Depends on the character and player, obviously.

In all future lore it's just going to be the Dragonborn, no other reference to gender or race just like the Champion of Cyrodiil and the Nerevarine. Dont really know how tey'll do the Stormcloak vs. Imperial thing, I havent chosen either yet nor do I know the outcome within the game. I assume it'll either be undecided or some vague reference that doesnt say who won.

Thank you OP, finally i made my choice as an Argonian Dragonborn...

your a lizard your arguement is invalid!


seriously think about it if in RL you see
a Khajit you'd be like Cool a talking man cat ill be famous
an Orc you'd be like [censored] that and run away
an Argonian = WTF a Giant Lizard dad get the pick axe i'll grab the blow torch!

You don't have to have Skyrim's interests in mind to support the rebellion.
If one region becomes independent of the empire, other regions might follow.

Look at the Middle East. One country decides to get rid of their dictator, other countries followed.

aren't Argonians cold blooded? how the hell do they stay awake in the cold skyrim climate?....

oh wait, Duh Skooma :rofl:

The Septims were originally Nords.

They were just tanned in Cyrodiil.

Can be easily explained with the old fate argument. Because you are dragonborn, you do the things you are ment to do. Not the other way around.

Argonian anarchist. As they are racist bastards, you want the Stormcloaks gone. Defeating the Imperials and establishing Stormcloak rule basically isolates Skyrim from Empire protection. So when the Thalmor steam in, it will be a far quicker conflict.

That's basically why I joined the Legion, damned racist Stormcloaks pressed my buttons. That's why after wiping Ulfric's face all over the floor of his palace, I took the Argonian lady outside the city and moved her in. Bet his followers were a tad upset to see a Khajiit/Argonian lisbian couple parading around town wearing his clothes.

Being Dragonborn doesn't mean you have to adhere to particular political views.
:confused:

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean his points aren't valid, in real life I don't like racist douches so of course the Stormcloaks kinda rubbed me the wrong way. The Legion may not be the best, in fact they kind of do svck but at least they aren't going to judge you by the race you pick on the character select screen. I tried the Stormcloaks and half way through the quest line I quit and went back to my imperial aligned file. I was fighting to save their country and still they're making rude comments and treating my race like second class citizens.

T'was just not fun, don't take it so seriously friend.

Lol, I have this mental image now of a khajiit and argonian in nobles robes, holding hands doing a "http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/haters-gonna-hate" strut in front the defeated Nords xD

I don't think that book is a credible source, especially when a war is going on and Markath supports the Empire. I mean, look at all the people who view him as a murderer who broke the law, even though he challenged the High King to a duel before killing him. Seems like it's all just propaganda.

Great Talos, YES! I'm going to do exactly that!