Why is Skyrim so dumbed down?

Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:18 am

I like the game. I like a lot of the changes they made. However, I miss a lot of things from previous games, such as most of the removed spells, enemies, and summons. Do these being gone ruin the game for me? No, why the hell would it?

I consider a hardcoe gamer as one who plays the crap out of a game, and strives to make the best possible character, or to be extreme skilled to get a high K/D ratio. A casual gamer is one who plays because they enjoy the story line and have fun playing the game.

I have never played an IPhone game in my life. Nor have I ever played any facebook games. I consider my self more of a casual gamer. Between 'hardcoe' and 'casual,' I am much closer to casual. If we include other types we get this...

Casual gamer

A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited. Casual gamers tend to play games designed for ease of gameplay and don't spend much time playing more involved games. The genres that casual gamers play vary, and they might not own a specific video game console to play their games. Casual gaming demographics vary greatly from those of traditional computer games, as the typical casual gamer is older and more predominantly female. One casual gamer subset is the "fitness gamer", who plays motion-based exercise games.

Mid-core gamer

A core gamer is a player with a wide range of interests and enthusiast toward creative and diverse games, but without the amount of time spent and sense of competition of a hardcoe gamer. The mid-core gamer enjoys complex games but won't buy every novel release, doesn't have time for long games, and is a target consumer that needs features not found in games for the other types.

hardcoe gamer

hardcoe gamers prefer to take significant time and practice on games, and tend to play more involved games that require larger amounts of time to complete or master. hardcoe gamers may take part in video game culture. Competition is another defining characteristic of hardcoe gamers, who often compete in organized tournaments, leagues, or ranked play integrated into the game proper. There are many subtypes of hardcoe gamers based on the style of game, gameplay preference, hardware platform, and other preferences.

Pro-gamer

Professional gamers play video games for money. Whether a professional gamer is a subtype of the hardcoe gamer largely depends on the degree to which a professional gamer is financially dependent upon the income derived from gaming. So far as a professional gamer is financially dependent upon gaming, the time spent playing is no longer "leisure" time.

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Marina Leigh
 
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:00 am

Hitting random buttons on an arcade machine as your parents held you up at age 2 does not equal playing games at age 2. Sorry.

According to you because your views must be correct right?

my baby brother was playing halo at 2 (he's 6 now) and he wants me to unblock Skyrim on his profile on my computer so he can play. (I let him play minecraft on my pc)

See its not impossible. People need to get with it, I bet your baby brother remembers it. It was fun times for me.

This man had written his first concerto at the age of four! His first symphony at seven! A full-scale opera at twelve! Did it show? Is talent like that written on an Avatar?

Why did this devolve into a "how old I was when I played X" argument, lol?

I was playing Wooden Ships and Iron Men before any of you were born. Before there even were RPGs.

Well played Erandur well played.

Still, you would recall hitting those buttons and continuously play games after that, gaining experience sooner than someone who would start gaming at, say, 5.

I remember placing buildings fondly even if things was in random places and my parents built around it and I put some more stuff down in Sim City. I loved the green haired guy he made me laugh.

Yes that one, just doesn't make sense to me. Spell creation is optional so unless some designer thought "if casual gamers realize there is an optional part of the game for creating their own custom spells their complexity sense will tingle and they will disappear into the night" it makes no sense. Removing it denies it to the people who want it, and the people who don't wouldn't have had to use it anyway wouldn't have been made simpler or more complex whether it is there or not.

By the same token some of the spells removed are the ones that actually make, or can make, the game vastly easier and challenges easier to overcome. If they were cut in order to "dumb down"... well, it doesn't make much sense. Personally with dragon fights being an important part of the game I can understand keeping levitate gone.

Yes without it we are severely limited as mages in any reguard.

1. Because people here are so desperate to prove how hardcoe they are, they have to start playing games younger and younger. I was joking about playing Doom at 2, most people just start saying words at 2.

2. Make ONE constructive thread asking Bethesda to bring back what you want. Not 50 posts in a sea of trolls and whiners. It's annoying.

1. Your the one that started trying to argue about what you think casual and hardcoe is based on your opinions.

2. You are new here, you probably have zero idea that Bethesda checks these very threads to improve their games, so yes if I have something to criticize I will. I am mainly positive but there is a few things that need work. I would like to address them.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:44 am

We could only be so lucky if PC gaming died, just so the PC Master Race would go with it.


PC games generaly have more depth. The mod community for one is a great thing. Don't be a hater because you prefer consol. PC is still king because of its power and flexability.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:49 am

I really hope you're not saying that I'm defending bethesda's decision to take things out of the game that were in previous games with hyperbole. I'm just pointing out that all the whining and making threads about it won't do anything to change that fact.


not you specifically, just the whole crowd who goes "yeah, taking out repairing/armorer REALLY breaks my immersion. /sarcasm" and the variations of it. Like I also said, they totally need to bring back crossbows and throwing weapons :P in total agreement with you there
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:51 pm

I don't see many random and generic, except fetch quests which are in every RPG and MMORPG.

I walk into a random lighthouse, find a murdered woman and her journal...great random quest I'm not going to spoil.

That one isn't random. It's a great unique quest.

Random quests are those generated by the radiant story system. They appear frequently in taverns, and some guilds.
By generic i mean those quests that require you to do something that becomes very repetitive. That is, "going in a dungeon, getting object X, returning it to Y questgiver." However, these aren't generated by the radiant story system.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:10 pm

PC games generaly have more depth. The mod community for one is a great thing. Don't be a hater because you prefer consol. PC is still king because of its power and flexability.


I don't hate PC gaming, I hate PC gaming elitists. Hence why I said "PC Master Race".

According to you because your views must be correct right?

1. Your the one that started trying to argue about what you think casual and hardcoe is based on your opinions.

2. You are new here, you probably have zero idea that Bethesda checks these very threads to improve their games, so yes if I have something to criticize I will. I am mainly positive but there is a few things that need work. I would like to address them.


1. People keep calling Skyrim casual, misusing the word as it applies to gaming.

2. Not new here, been here since before Oblivion came out. Lost an old password, made this one today due to a temporary ban. So, snark denied!

My issue is the complainers keep making hundreds of threads whining. Make ONE and sticky it FFS.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:37 am

PC games generaly have more depth. The mod community for one is a great thing. Don't be a hater because you prefer consol. PC is still king because of its power and flexability.

One cannot deny the power and uniqueness of the mod community. It all just boils down to choice or a situation on what you play any game on.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:44 pm

PC games generaly have more depth. The mod community for one is a great thing. Don't be a hater because you prefer consol. PC is still king because of its power and flexability.


This is the reason he is being a hater. Not because PC is better, but because some PC players believe they are superior to console players just because they play on a PC or brag that they play on PC.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:14 pm

My brain is now melting and so are my eyes.
I must now retire to Britannia. I bid all of thee farewell.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:12 pm

My issue is the complainers keep making hundreds of threads whining. Make ONE and sticky it FFS.

Complaining is perfectly acceptable on these forums. Complaining about complainers however is against the rules. :nono:

:bunny: Glorious PC Master Race :bunny:
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:05 pm

Ive played some 170-200 hours of Skyrim. Have several builds. They work out fine. I smell a ...

Did your kids put you in a home, then get you a copy of Skyrim as a way to get you to stop calling them? Because you're complaining like an old man.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:31 pm

Complaining is perfectly acceptable on these forums. Complaining about complainers however is against the rules. :nono:

:bunny: Glorious PC Master Race :bunny:

Where didst THOU come from?


..nevermind. I shouldn't be here.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:06 pm

Well it's only the PC people, as they believe they are superior, console users are idiots and ruining everything they like.Console users just don't care. The PC Master Race people svck. They are their own class really.WHAAAA? 200 hours? I play nonstop after work and on my days off and have 100 hours.Holy good god. Oh and you got your money's worth, go play Dragon Age Origins or Morrowind now and leave the Skyrim fans alone!


Funny. Not wanting companies to constantly change our original IP's for the sake of console homogenization is somehow an allusion to a certain unnameable political party. We don't even mind the branching out, we just don't wish to be the one's who are obviously getting the craptastic ports for series that would have no life if not for the PC.

Yet whenever a console exclusive title is even mentioned the possibility of port, effin' riots break out, literally...but they just don't care.
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Where didst THOU come from?


..nevermind. I shouldn't be here.

Never should've come here!
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:43 am

Did your kids put you in a home, then get you a copy of Skyrim as a way to get you to stop calling them? Because you're complaining like an old man.

*Puts in hearing aid*

?... Have a blessed day...

*takes a nap*
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:20 am

1. People keep calling Skyrim casual, misusing the word as it applies to gaming.

2. Not new here, been here since before Oblivion came out. Lost an old password, made this one today due to a temporary ban. So, snark denied!

My issue is the complainers keep making hundreds of threads whining. Make ONE and sticky it FFS.

1. Thats your opinion. I do not consider it purely casual, its more casual than Morrowind in my opinion.

2. You did not have to explain yourself. I was just informing you about Bethesda watching these forums.

If you do not like threads where people "whine" avoid them its quite simple. You obviously think Skyrim is perfect so why come into a thread about it being dumbed down or flawed?

You have been whining about whiners: that makes no sense if your tired of seeing it on your PC or phone or whatever you are on here with.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:39 pm

Never should've come here!

THAT THE BEST YOU'VE GOT?!

*head gets chopped off*
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:04 pm

Funny. Not wanting companies to constantly change our original IP's for the sake of console homogenization is somehow an allusion to a certain unnameable political party. We don't even mind the branching out, we just don't wish to be the one's who are obviously getting the craptastic ports for series that would have no life if not for the PC.

Yet whenever a console exclusive title is even mentioned the possibility of port, effin' riots break out, literally...but they just don't care.


Actually it's a reference to Zero Punctuation and Yahtzee, who was then referencing said Germans.

Not wanting bad ports is fine. Claiming up and down that PC gaming is the best and consoles users drool (I see it all the time) is what I'm talking about.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:20 pm

Complaining is perfectly acceptable on these forums. Complaining about complainers however is against the rules. :nono:

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:rofl:
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:31 am

Why is Skyrim so dumbed down?


If I slay you, do I get to loot Troll Fat?

Please explain how it is dumbed down, troll.


They can't. They enjoy crying and complaining, and enjoy hearing the sound of their own shrill whines, but they don't back up their complaints.

It doesn't really matter, though. There's always plenty of complaining with every new release for any ongoing franchise, whether it be The Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto, Forza Motorsport, or whatever. The complainers are more vocal in their crying than the satisfied players are in their satisfaction, so we see a disproportionately high volume of crying that makes it look as though the game is more poorly-received than it really is.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 pm

There is truth though that games are becoming more assessable because of consoles. Being a PC gamer myself I'm not all that thrilled about it either. I consider myself privileged to be able to play on PC. If you hate me for that then that's your personal problem.

They should make games just for PC and just for consoles then we'd all be happy.
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:22 am

The only thing dumbed down is this forum and all the dumb ash threads like these getting put up.

Bethesda sold 8 million copies of skyrim so far. Please tell me why in the world would they listen to some broke poster about how "they" should make a game. Get the heck outta here with that youngin.

Don't like don't play it. I don't play wii games because I think they are for children, but u don't see me on the wii forums yelling and posting about how the wii is dumbed down.

I don't know why in the world people feel like they are owed something nowadays.

WEAK SAUCE! and a bunch of Tomfoolary
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:56 am

1. Thats your opinion. I do not consider it purely casual, its more casual than Morrowind in my opinion.

2. You did not have to explain yourself. I was just informing you about Bethesda watching these forums.

If you do not like threads where people "whine" avoid them its quite simple. You obviously think Skyrim is perfect so why come into a thread about it being dumbed down or flawed?

You have been whining about whiners: that makes no sense if your tired of seeing it on your PC or phone or whatever you are on here with.



I do not think Skyrim is perfect. I wish spell crafting wasn't removed, I wish the bugs would be fixed, etc. There's plenty of things. However, there are nonstop complaining threads, and I have an obligation to come in and set things right. In my head at least.

Plus there's a difference between "Things Skyrim should have/could fix" and "This game is for stupid casuals it svcks I like Morrowind Bethesda sold out"

See the difference?
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:33 am

You know nothing!

No you!

NO YOU!!!
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Post » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:48 am

Skyrim is not dumbed down, the TES series has actually improved when it comes to adding more complexity in character creation/development and combat. It's still quite bad when it comes to both, but it's just not accurate to call it dumbed down. Having more arbitrary statistics did not make Oblivion or Morrowind more complex when it came to actually playing the game and building your character. Perks added far more complexity than attributes ever did, or having more weapon skills, or having birthsigns(though I preferred them over the standing stones).

It still has plenty of problems, but it is an improvement when it comes to complexity overall. Oblivion was very shallow and repetitive, with worse level scaling and more copy/paste content by far.
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