Your entitled to your opinion.

Problem is over 7 million in sales and the fact the game will clean up every game of the year award in a year that has been fantastic for gamers puts you in a minority.

Get over it...move on....stop whining.

This is true. Bethesda have yet to sink to Lionhead or Bioware's level of dumbing down.

My 9 year old nephew was playing this yesterday. He's far from a "gamer" much less a "hardcoe gamer". Therefore your whole stance is invalid.

Where are my godamn magic spells D:<

I'm not going to pick a lock if I'm a mage. I'm supposed to use my magic to open locks. But now it's impossible. It never was before, and it makes no sense to remove open lock spells.

No silence.

No chameleon.

No open lock.

No attributes, so now I can't cast fortify attribute or drain attribute.

No weapon/armour durability, so now I can't cast damage armour/weapon.

No nighteye.

No cure disease.

No feather.

No jump spell.

No water walking.

Definitely no mark/recall.

Definitely no levitation.

And those are just the ones off the top of my head.




They ruined magic.




And weapons? Well, they dumbed those down too. Now we have "one-handed" and "two-handed" nonsense.

I miss the old days where you actually had to specialize in certain weapons, and axes were not the same as swords. And daggers were not the same as maces.

And don't tell me "oh but you can specialize still! it's in the perk tree!". Because that's a load of crap. The specializations for each sub-set of weapons is beyond shallow. If they had devoted a seperate perk tree for short blades, long blades, axes, and blunt weapons, the game would be so much more satisfying.

But noooo, they had to choose money and greed over quality and complexity. Buncha sellouts.

Vanilla Skyrim is a failure.

Your anecdote could be a made up lie, and a 9 year old can be a gamer as much as you can. I was playing tons of games at 9.

Your argument has failed.

Go play something else then, simples.

Since when was Fable 1 ever deep? Even the lost chapters weren't much. PM dumbed down somewhere in between Black and White and Fable.

Of course they don't, but every single developer out there thinks otherwise.

And Skyrim has been streamlined very badly, losing many features, such as spell-making, and attributes.
That's why people are saying that it's been dumbed down.

Depends if one classifies pokemon as an RPG or not. What am I saying?.



Agreed.

No, it's no, but thanks for playing.

My nephew isn't a stranger, hes my nephew. He could be a gamer, but he isn't. I have plenty of friends that are most definitely casual gamers. A few picked this up. They were not pleased.

Oblivion's leveling system svcked, it's good it changed. And they added things such as smithing.



What? Oh and do you know what a casual gamer is?

And further, if a casual gamer didn't like Skyrim, that proves my point. Thanks.

It has the least features and mechanics of any ES besides Arena. Its also the easiest, with the least amount of thought or worrying about certain mechanics.

I didn't mention Oblivion's levelling system. Attributes have been present since TES:Arena.
Also, crafting is very broken ATM. You can easily inflate Skyrim's economy with Iron daggers.

I agree, Bethesda should not cater to them. You cannot make somebody like something, I also know several people that would rather play games like Gears and Zelda instead of any RPG title. I also agree there is nothing wrong with people that dislike RPGs we are all different and have different taste in life, that is just the way it is. Its how we are individuals. The Elder Scrolls has become very mainstream with the success of Oblivion and Skyrim, but yes they have alienated some longtime fans which is bad buisness. But my point is not that the series has hit the limelight they should now start adding back more depth that us RPG players love that would be great for everyone. I also see all future titles gaining more money on all future Elder Scrolls titles, what with a new added fan base, (even tho a few have left) and the growing gaming community.

I was just playing Daggerfall, and Skyrim is so much better it's not even funny. Random dice rolls and throwing points into things doesn't make a game better.

Now instead of being pigenholed into a character I can make anything, and even cross builds. Much better.

You didnt have a point. You tried to say no casual gamer has ever played or tried to play Skyrim. That's logistically not possible with how many copies were sold. My point was whether or not they liked it, Beth casualized the game more than ever. Looking at the features from this game and previous games, its clearly obvious.



You could always make cross builds in any ES. And your first sentence doesn't really address anything about how Daggerfall doesn't have more mechanics than Skyrim, which it does.

Good job not understanding Daggerfall! :goodjob:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI&feature=related

My point was no casual is playing Skyrim and complex games at length. Casual Gamers by definition play Farmville and Angry Birds. Even a COD only gamer isn't a casual gamer.

So, your casual gamer friends played Skyrim and didn't like it. Like I said, it proved my point.

If it was casualized there'd be no smithing, no inventory, no perks, no nothing.

What? How does this make any sense?

They have cut features to appeal to bigger crowd. That is your opinion about what being casual is.

They have made Skyrim not as deep and more streamlined to appeal to those that was never drawn to RPGs in the first place can you admit or see that?

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumb%20down:

Definition of DUMB DOWN
transitive verb
: to lower the level of difficulty and the intellectual content of (as a textbook); also : to lower the general level of intelligence in

Definition of INTELLIGENCE
1
a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness : shrewdness
2
a : an intelligent entity; especially : angel b : intelligent minds or mind
3
: the act of understanding : comprehension
4
a : information, news b : information concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area; also : an agency engaged in obtaining such information
5
: the ability to perform computer functions


As to the why OP, see Step 3.

No, that's not what a casual gamer is. Casual just doesn't play as much as other gamers, and doesn't go for the more complicated and complex all the time. Hes in it for the next best thing and the 'experience'.

What doesn't make sense is how you took Daggerfall - a massive, complex game - and reduced it to "random dice rolls and throwing points into things".