No, its not the parents fault. Its the fact that this is the FIRST generation to have video games at this level. Parents do not know much about games because THEY HAVE NEVER PLAYED THEM.

M, means tons of stuff. Hell, GTA 4 is rated M, and is MUCH worse than Fallout 3. Call of Duty is rated M, and is much less graphic. You my friend, must do more research!

Understandable. And my point was that since the animations were developed and were used in-game, this obviously isn't one of those hundreds or thousands of things that the developers decided weren't required. Not required for the player, maybe...



Pffft...tell Yogi to keep his distance, I got Boo-Boo tied up in a secure location with Ranger Smith watching him.

And we know Yogi can't outwit Ranger Smi...er...uh-oh...this could be bad. :unsure:

when will we have a real life simulation style rpg without the fear of the ESRB? the ability is built into the game.. wanna smoke go ahead.. oh wait... no dice. someone says you cant... if you are in the business of selling titles and games... its about time you make them as realistic as possible.. because reality is fading away with the laws and virtual reality is following the rules. BORING

What are you talking about? If parents buy their kids this game it is their fault. "Its the fact that this is the FIRST generation to have video games at this level" wtf does this even mean, I would consider F1 and 2 last generation and they were way worse in terms of content than F3 and NV, hell Atari had pormo games. Do more research? I dont have to do research, Ive been playing games since the 80s. What does GTA and COD have to do with Fallout? Also parents shouldnt be buying their 12 year olds GTA or COD anyway. Parents dont know about games? I am a parent. In conclusion read my post again and to what I was replying to. I think you need to do more research.

You could smoke blunts in saints row 2 and it wasn't a big deal at all. You could even smoke cigs in MGS back in the day.

This is usually a subject that gets blown way out of proportion, it's been done before and will continue to be done. If anything it adds to the role play experience, I've noticed alot of ppl want to play a roughneck/cowboy type of character and usually cowboys not only drink like a fish but also smoke like a chimney, at least the old school ones do lol.

Personally it doesn't matter to me because I'd still shove em' all in my misc. locker for a rainy day when I need some extra caps lol
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I can see you there but dont you dare call parents 'idiotic'. M, can mean so many different things now days. Like Call of Duty, that game is rated M, but is much less graphic than Fallout 3. GTA 4 is rated M, and is much more graphic.

MOST PARENTS dont like video games, so they do not know much about them. Its like "Call of Duty 4 was M and wasnt that graphic, so GTA 4 wont be that graphic." That is how MOST PARENTS take games. Until the ESRB can make a rating inbetween M and AO, things are still going to be bad.

I'm no expert on the smoking part, nor do I smoke IRL, but I thought smoking had some (temporarily) hunger supressing effects. Could make a great addition to the hardcoe mode... need a little less food a day, but you could get addicted and maybe have some other long term effects. (even though smoking is one of the things you shouldn't worry about in a post-apocalyptic world )

if a parent buys their kid a game, then turns around and says they cant play the game because of the content, yes they are idiots, they just wasted 63 bucks=idiotic. Again read what I was replying to.

Oh, my mistake rofl. Lets pretend that this never happened.

No problem, next time... do more research....just kidding :wink_smile:

I don't see why cigarettes can't be a consumable like drugs and alcohol were. Then again, I don't see a need for them TO be consumable either (and don't give me that immersion crap- I don't believe in it).

I'd like it in... I mean there are cigarette cartons, packs of cigarettes and loose cigarettes all over the place... Every other consumable in the game is consumable.. It's like picking up a can of cram and not being able to eat it. Cigarettes wouldn't have all negative effects.. like alcohol boosts ST.. nicotine should boost En or AP as nicotine is a stimulant.. on that note Nuka Cola should also boost AP and En.. Just like any other drug you can become addicted to cigarettes and then need to smoke.. If I could have my way I'd have add animation to smoking, drinking and eating.. something you could skip through if you didn't want to watch but could actually use to role play your character actually eating, drinking, or smoking if you wanted to take the time to do so.
Red Dead Redemption had idle smoking animations after missions.. I thought that was quite cool. Gothic he would inhale some swamp weed and then get high for about 30 seconds.. very cool. Bioshock showed a little puff of smoke.. not as cool but at least there was that puff of smoke.


I would like to restate the fact that every other consumable in the game is consumable..

The smoking threads come up every so often, with the same argument: you can kill, drink, do drugs, the animation is there, etc etc etc...

.. and then I think to myself, ok, so... you want to stop the game, and have an animation of the main character smoking.. You want to just watch your character smoke a cig for 5 minutes? What's so great about that? Or just take one drag?
How many times would you do that in game? What about animations for opening up the pack, fumbling through all your pockets looking for your lighter, lighting up?


Seriously, I don't see what is so great about the smoking thing.

Do we know we can't smoke in NV?

I wouldn't mind having it in, but I won't really miss it either if it's out. I smoke enough as it is.

Why not honestly more content=more ways to roleplay. Depth, depth, depth, add as much as you can, thats why I love bethesda RPGs.

What if we fall through the earth?

Sure, but also make them count - to have real tangible ingame impacts/effects. Otherwise... useless features are useless features.

I agree, I dont want "Fable-ish" gimmicks that do nothing, I want them to count.

Maybe we can't smoke because we don't have ladders. During the Resource Wars, gas was too valuable to spend on cars. I think that would include lighters, lawn mowers, etc.. so, no lighters equals no smoking.

Man has been able to create fire long before lighters were invented.

I don't see any positive benefits, smoke and get -10 to your health?no thanks

Odd that you'd say that, as a Lighter is one of the first things you see in the game...

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lighter

Drinking DOES NOT have positive benefits....

Doing drugs DOES NOT have positive benefits...

It's the way it's the game incorporates perceived notions of a chemical to fit in the game's mechanics.
You get a +2 to strength for drinking because? well frankly I don't know.
Popping pills(mentats, med x) doesn't increase your scientific knoledge or reduce how much damage you take...
etc


Smoking could do any number of things.
Increase AP, increase accuracy in VATS, increase luck in gambling.

ya it doesn't necessarily make sense but neither does gaining strength from drinking a bottle of whisky.

It's a game.

Yeah drinking IRL does not make you stronger, Ive thrown around drunks and have been thrown around while drunk pretty easily. It does kill the pain though, literally and metaphorically.