Instead of saying "shut up" and sounding like your twelve how about you state why you think my opinion is wrong. Like I stated before; If a parent buys their kid NV, then they [censored] and moan because of its content, they are idiots for wasting 63 bucks and not researching what they are buying for their kid. Next time read what i was replying to before you type every meaningless thought that crosses your brain.

smoking has always made you look cool,
i think -1 to endurance
+1 to charisma (heck booze gave you a +1 to charisma)
the effect to health would be the drop in endurance because either you on your cigarette, or your withdrawing from on (which would only have the -1 to endurance no charisma boost)

hehehehe
well i would enjoy a cig, with my character for 5 minutes and do it everytime I smoked
hehehehe

how do you know, that the devs aren't allready modding this right now???
at some point they cut adding stuff and start to work on fine tuning, but in their off the clock time, they keep thinking.... "what about this idea, what about that idea, heck I've go the pro geck right here....hhhhmmmmm i'll be the first person to submit a mod on the nexus yeah!!!"

yeah, well at least i hope so.
ps, i love modding, and i :bowdown: to every dev who can make a game that allows me to mod.

Wow. Nice trip post...

Anyways, as I asked before, where has it been said that we can't?

You do have a point.

I guess I just assumed that we can't because of the last game.

Who knows this whole discussion could be pointless and they already have it in game; I still have a strong hunch it's not though.

Thanks for clearing that up. Well, assuming rarely works out favorably. I suppose it's possible. Even as just a useable. Also, consider possible traits. Maybe a related trait would change your idle stance.

Other NPC's smoke, like raiders when you are hidden, But smoking is basically killing yourself slowly, so why would you want to. It encourages bad health habbits!!!!

I come from a long line of smokers, my dad smokes, my mom smokes, both of my brothers smoke, and a large portion of my extended relatives smoke. The only reason I don't smoke is because it is a colossal waste of money. I resent the stigma against smoking and we need to bring back the smoking in bars and smoking sections in planes, restaurants, and let people smoke in fallout and anyone who resents second hand smoke don't complain MOVE!!!

To people who are under 15 maybe but thats about it. Theres nothing cool about smelling awful, having yellow teeth and so on.

This. +1

Also my copy of fallout 3 has a big red 18 in the bottom left hand corner, meaning if your kid aint 18 don't buy it for them, quite simple really. I don't get this M rating people keep talking about, seems a bit daft to me. :shrug:

Children?

They dont add smoking for the same reason they dont add new underwear. Sure its easy to do sure its adding SOMETHING.. But they have a massive list of stuff THEY WANT TO DO. This isnt on that list..
Hell id say adding yodaling mutant yaktigers wearing rodio outfits is more likely to be on the list of things they want to do then adding smoking. Mostly because smoking is about as interesting a subject as watching cheese melt.

Have working legs.

now my good sir thy should not diminish the joy of spending a afternoon watching cheese melt


anyway OT, personally I find it′s another of those "more job the the immersion it gives"

Can I use this for my sig?, I don't think I've ever seen it put better!

I would not be too concerned about smoking animation for the player character, the modders will soon add it in, but I agree with some, the ESRB or some other moralistic organization are pushing reality in to virtual reality, it really needs to change, I for one am old enough to figure out what I like and don't like, I don't need a nanny state telling me.

Oh yes, I forgot, I smoke 20 a day, of course they are not good for your heallth, but then neither is whiskey but I love the stuff.

well technically alcoholic drinks in modest amounts have some health benefits, but cigarettes are just bad.

tradition and a wide spread smoking industry are the only two things keeping it from being branded a illegal drug hunted down like any other drug.

Huh, I also remember my history where alcohol was also once illegal, prohibition anyone?
But I'm not going to argue with you over the merits of smoking, I agree already they are not good for your/my health, but I don't need someone telling me how to treat my body, it's mine, banning smoking outright in all public buildings is controlling, I want a cigarette with my whiskey, before the public ban I would ask people around if it was ok to light up, would never do it to offend, but now the choice has been removed!

I think it has every thing to do with censorship. It would not be a waste of code. Alot of people want it and it adds to character creation. It's stupid that FO3 was swimming in cigarettes but I could not smoke while others could. If we can't smoke in Fallout New Vegas. I ask for the Devs not to have cigarettes all over like FO3. Have them rare and out of the way. So I am not reminded of the stupid censorship in todays world.

Many things could be done to make smoking bad. We could lose health, agility, endurance and strength over time. We can become addicted. Only bonus would be a boost to charisma. Because in 1950s mindset cool people smoked.

They could even add an achivement for going the entire game without lighting up.

Take a look at http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1708.

Would be great if they could possibly implement this.

jk it's too late lol.

I find that hard to believe considering all the other "bad stuff" they have in the game to earn it a Mature rating (again: alcohol and drug abuse, cannibalism, slavery, the freedom to commit wanton murder and destruction, etc.). Hell, if you want to be ultra-cynical about it, RL tobacco companies would probably pay Beth for the chance to allow PC's to light up. And, again: you can watch NPCs smoke. I really do think it's something the devs didn't bother to code in due to laziness and/or need to meet a deadline - not everything is a conspiracy. But if nothing else, perhaps somebody can make a "smoking mod" once the game is released. I look at in-game smoking the same way I look at in-game child killing: It's something that really isn't going to affect how fun most people find the game so the devs probably aren't sweating the issue and not paying much attention to it. It can just be modded in later on.


Really? Did you ask them? I get the feeling if you randomly polled people who bought FO3 (and not just the ones on these forums) the majority response would be "You know, that never even really crossed my mind."

It's impossible to role play a bad *** character properly without having him smoke either cigarettes or cigars. Impossible I tell you.

the only game i can think of when you as the main character that you control smokes, is the mgs games. same goes for gta, you kill and steal but when somebody offers you a cigarette you decline.

We have to agree to disagree on this one. You say it's because they did not have the time to do it. I say they did. If one person in their basemant can make a mod in two days a company of Devs can do it in an hour.

It's censorship. Anti-smoking groups are the biggest facists since Nazis (Hitler was a big anti-smoker). "I know better then you, so I am right." They are ok with drunking, six,gambling and eating of human flesh because even they know it's a video game. Add smoking and they think people are dumb enough to start because of the game :bonk: . Also I might be wrong but the Anti-Smoking deal came out of California did it not? The game is being made there.

I am not a smoker, I have never smoked. I do support peoples right to smoke. It's an M-rated RPG. Smoking would be an option and in RPG options are good. It helps build characters. If you don't want to smoke then don't smoke that simple.

I do feel alot of people want it or the very least would not care if it's in the game. They know enough that if they don't like that part of the game that option they will not do it. Just like real life. We are advlts or mature teens playing this game. What is so wrong about the option to smoke?

It's not enough for me to know others in the game are smoking. Having all the smokes around and I can't smoke svcks. It's like the kids issue. It bugged alot of people that they can't harm them. So for New Vegas they are making kids rare and out of the way. "Out of sight out of mind." That's what I want if we can't smoke. I want all the cigarettes gone from the game or very rare.

Still It has been asked a couple of times but how do we know we can't smoke? Can someone post a link to this info please.

I can live with that.


The devs also didn't code in the ability for my character to take a leak, or sit down on a toilet and take a crap even though it wouldn't take that much time. Again: There a about a million little things the devs could have put in that add up to a lot of time spent coding stuff that, frankly, wouldn't add a whole lot to the game itself. Smoking just so happened to be one of them - the devs must have figured that if folks want it so bad they'll just mod it in themselves.


I feel that you are wrong. Out of about 2 million copies of FO3 sold for the PC, only about 3000 people bothered to go out of their way to find and install a smoking mod (either http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=7193 or http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1640 if considering unique downloads alone). .0015% of paying customers isn't a very strong argument to make for something to assign to a developer, even if it would only take a relatively short amount of time (consider that would be time lost on bug-fixing right there).