I dont care I love Morrowind Oblivion and skyrim!They are all my favorite games ever!Also on a side note create a part of hammerfell for DLC!!!!

Oh Morrowind, you did hurt me so in those early days.

Glad I stuck with it though and said "to hell with you crashes, you won't keep me from what I feel is going to be an awesome game!"

...and more snow and mountains and more snow and mountains.

I preferred the green grass and trees to snow and mountains. You know, there are times in Skyrim when it looks like my game is running in black and white?

As far as I'm concerned, neither Oblivion nor Skyrim are the weakest in the series. Not even close.

Morrowind was.

The dungeons in skyrim are for sure better than oblivion.

Too bad Oblivion's dungeons (if you could call them that) really, truly and honestly svckED! I'll take black and white snow scenes over the garbage that Oblivion posed.

Yes, it does. Which is why I'm not understanding those who feel the level scaling is any different in Skyrim vs Oblivion. The only thing I can attribute it to is that people are exploring vast chunks of the land at lower levels locking enemies down before they reach the higher levels.

I stuck mostly to the east at lower levels however now, at 41, I'm finally exploring the west. Excluding the Forsworn (who have mostly locked equipment) nearly all bandits carry higher level weaponry. Orc, Dwarven and Elven are the basics for simple bandits, about as many have steel and iron as do those with Glass and Ebony. The Forsworn themselves have even been effected as I've fought several who dual wield Glass swords. It's gotten to the point that I've stopped picking up Glass and Ebony swords because there are just so many of them. I found my first ENTIRE Elven and Glass Armour set on a Thief who tried rob me. Both times. If I had needed heavy I had the same experience with Dwarven and Ebony, not Orcish though.

Even the "found" weapons are affected. Dungeons are littered with Glass and Ebony weapons and shields even shrines have Glass and Ebony weapons for offerings. Even the Draugr have been super powered. If I don't find 2 or 3 Deathlords in a tomb it's very strange. Most all Draugrs have been replaced with Restless and Wraiths.


As far as dungeons themselves are concerned Skyrims are all basically the same just as they were in Oblivion. Sure the layouts vary quite a bit than they did in Oblivion but they all basically "feel" the same. A cave still feels like every other cave (excluding Falmer caves) and every tomb feels basically the same just with different traps in different areas.

Dewd, I had to get a tissue! So emotional I became.

Nah, me myself and I is what you are saying. Oblivion grabbed meeeeeee (there is that pesky word again minus skydogs) but Skyrim grabs more.

Lol. Stop it, you're bringing back memories. :yes:



I think I can agree with all of that.



Yep, I was essentially saying "Oblivion grabbed me but Skyrim grabs me so much more". But more than that I was saying why Skyrim grabbed me more.

I didn't go into the nitty gritty, but as a whole package - made up of all those parts I mentioned and more - Skyrim has just worked better in my mind. It comes together better and delivers a more enjoyable total package. Yep, Oblivion grabbed me, but Skyrim grabbed me with much stronger grip and much quicker than Oblivion.

Exactly.....
Atleast it isn't so frikkin obvious in Skyrim. They spread it out more like Fallout 3. Oblivion's Level Scaling was a horrid childish joke. You can level to 50+, but the armor scaled to level 20, you had every merchant selling Daedric. Even the finding armor pieces is better in TES V. I have to actually search for certain pieces I want and explore for them sometimes. Sorry to the OP and others, But IMHO Oblivion was such a joke as the vanilla version that it became boring after awhile. I think Skyrim is a good balance between those who liked Oblivion and those who liked Morrowind. Yes there are some problems...i.e. the UI and some bugs. In the end Skyrim is a much better grittier game then the over polished corny day glo Oblivion. I could go on all night with what I disliked about Oblivion....LOL

There are places , in Skyrim, that have not just grass and trees......and not just snow and mountains.....but grass and trees and snow and mountains.

Seriously though....I just feel that Skyrim is more authentic.

Lets see:

I played Arena for over 200 hours
I played Daggerfall for over 200 hours
I played Morrowind for ever 200 hours
I played Oblivion for about 15 hours
I have already played Skyrim for 60 hours

It wasn't just one thing that made me lose interest in Oblivion, it was the sum of many things. Skyrim doesn't seem to have the sum of all that was wrong with Oblivion that made me lose interest.

I second this reasoning.

(scalling)

It s difficulty level that maks skyrim more fun, master level is a blast

The ONLY problem oblivion had was not scaling in terms of ultra hard enemies
Players LOVE a good challenge

The problem was that bandits all dressed in daedric armor broke the immersion
Try to justify it by yourself, it makes no sense

However I dont know if the bandits in skyrim dress up in exquisite plate armor

(magic)
discussed to death
there is more in skyrim magic than meet the eyes
you need to experiment to become a believer

and dont forget those took longer to develop
so if provinces dlc become a reality
each privince could get a college, and they may have unique magic
finaly there is the issue of exploitable spells

personaly, surprisingly I didnt miss old magic or even spellmaking
spellmaking especialy always felt out of place

WHY
the npcs dont use it
so we are a god walking among fools
It s boring

The skyrim experience is better, especially on master
you meet a mage, he might roast you, freeze you, disintegrate you
he s more than a match for you
this is good

(Enemies still level with you only now they are locked into a level list )
not really
it looks more like daggerfall
some are presets and will trash you early on

(The magic system in Oblivion puts Skyrim to shame)
I had a good laught reading that
I ve played tes games since arena and daggerfall way back

(Radiant AI/Quests. How many times is chopping wood exciting?)
thats not a radiant quest, not really
it s more like a job offer
usefull in master level when you are totally broke

however the real usefulness of those dialogues is waking you up !!!
you may have missed the firewood upgrading bows for example
or maybe you didnt notice cooking,
especialy vegetable soup and elsewyr fondue

and then there is the mysterious potage le magnifique

it teach you to pay attention
and to realize
you should definitively not be selling those things !!!
wheat !! did you really sell weat !!! I hope you are not as dumb as you look !!!
yes I am quoting a npc from winterhold college
yes I do mean he s giving you a hint
and yes that black briar girl is screwing you up offering to buy 20 nirnroots
because they do not respawn (which she tells you to see if you are as dumb as you look)

(Then there is the skill system and perks.)
( The perks are neat but the game relies on them FAR to much.)
( It is a constant reminder you're playing a video game and only serves to make the whole experience a bit arcadey.)
what !!!
did you drink too much skooma again ....

its the onne thing that define classes
thought personaly I disagree how it was done
and that it limit your character

but I love that your character gain power slowly, and that the perks are the keys of it
the perks ARE the real skills
as the wife of the alchemist said in riften
she mix potions but she is no alchemist
she dont have the perks
she cannot build the strongest potions
the ones requiring the purity perk

what I would have done differently ....
require trainer service to gain the perk
put the strongest perks on hidden, possibly random master trainers
hidden in the world inside crazy dungeons
or tied to insane quests
you want to be an alchemist, you have to work at it
and you would be accompanied by a fellow
that verify you clear that dungeon as an alchemist - illusionist - priest - ehatever skill you are working on
if you do the whole thing swordfighting you dont desserve the perk

with such an approach they could have allowed all perks
because they would be hard to get

and I would have removed the current trainer concept
if the player want a skill, he works at it, period,
no more freeby

(Also, upon release everyone was at least able to play Oblivion without to much hassle. Skyrims release has been one of the worst ones this year next to Dead Island)
not really
90% of skyrim issues were drivers and windows 7 related
there was also a big impact of hackers releasing all sorts of mallware claiming them to be patches
or recommending all sorts of weird thing
resulting in some users melting their hardware

if you used the recommended settings, and eventually got all your drivers, it eventually all worked out
in fact, the hardest hit were those with the newest hardware

it pretty much cooled down after a while

I know for me it was an audio driver, for another guy it was a background app conflicting
a lot of the stories are like that

(You must also consider the very lack luster graphics Skyrim has in comparison to other modern releases. We've an Oblivion 2.0 engine with slightly polished graphics.)

really, how long did you play the game
have you done red eagle redoubt and seen the view there
there is no comparison between the two game
... if you got the lattest hardware...

now there are some models and textures to fix because they relied a lot on anisotropic filtering
and in some cities the wall look better 3 feet away than near you
looks like a mistake in selecting the mipmap

(So, after all this, why is it exactly do people feel Skyrim is greater than Oblivion? I'd like to see what others see as I cannot fathom it. )

because I get pawned by a spider while harvesting flowers in the marsh
because it got the best scenery
because markath is so gorgeous
because dragons are fun to fight
because you can follow a thalmor patrol and see them attack a bandit stronghold (thats radiant ai, it seems you havent seen it)
because you can follow a stormcloack patrol you spotted to whiterun and stop them from killing a farmer
because you can desecrate a daedric shrine and fight the dark brotherhood assassin they paid and the thugs they hired
because you can explore the biggest dwemer ruin ever built (under markath, beyond the big spider)
because it got some exterior castles you can storm
because you can use wall of frost, the craziest spell ever created and use it 50 different ways
because the winterhold college feel like the first meaningfull mageguild
(and you do feel like you are helping them in their experiments)
because even a level 252 cheated character can still be trashed

oh, and because of the beards !!!
and the cute ladies !!!

Was going to write something witty myself, but then I saw this.

Adding to the above list, the main quest was quite lousy. It was... well, what one game magazine used to call "tube running", that is fake longevity by forcing the player to zigzag between two or more places just to talk with people or fetch some incredibly dull plot device.



I have Oblivion three full tries, I just didn't get into it, not even with mods.

Oblivion and Skyrim are both great games its just a matter of oppinon and if you want to call a game the weakest link it would be TES:Redguard not saying its a bad game but for Bethesda it was a very weak link

By the Eight, your Enter key is not your Spacebar.





Yes, they will. Especially if you wait a long while before exploring an area. I've already covered this both in the OP and a follow up post but apparently reading comprehension is lax.




93% of statistics on the internet are made up.

However no. Just no. Skyrim has had HUGE launch issues on the PC. Spend some time in the Hardware section and you'll figure that out. Secondly your thing about malware and hackers releasing patches is total nonsense. Patches are handled through Steam. End of story, end of a hacker releasing a malware patch affecting thousands. That is, unless you're using a pirated version.




You seem to have missed that the comparison wasn't to Oblivion but to other modern titles. Yes Skyrim looks better than a stock Oblivion, however it looks the same as a modded Oblivion, both don't look as good as modern releases. Running on Ultra I know well what I'm talking about. Now after using many of the already excellent texture packs being released Skyrim is starting to shape up.

Not a bad description.

ha ha ha, some of these are too hillarious and unbelieveable!

Level Scaling.

I think it simply has a lot to do with shifting comparisons. Oblivion followed Morrowind and compared poorly in the minds of some people. Skyrim now follows Oblivion and compares much better because of the lower opinion held of Oblvion.

Oblivion's scaling svcked big time but after 100+ hours in game, I believe Skyrim is the weakest..

Skyrim had many improvements, while some other things from the series were excluded and some aspects were dumped down from my perspective.
In the end, it's how you value the improvements versus the other changes.

i dont think its weak -.- i prefered it over morrowind and i still love it.

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Skyrim is the best TES game. Oblivion is absolute garbage to be honest.