Why do some modders like anime mods and beauty skins and the

Post » Tue May 01, 2012 11:47 pm

Something nobody has brought up: How do modders feel when players take their works and post images with "anime mods and beauty skins and the like"?
My very first character in Fallout 3 will never be available to download for a similar reason. Not long after I posted my face packs (for FO3 and FNV) people started uploading trashy pictures of the characters into my image gallery. Then they started uploading screens taken using the Animated Prostitution mod so I promptly disabled the auto-approved uploads to the image gallery.
I don't care how they play their characters (using my faces) but I don't want to see it.

I don't have a main female character anymore, she was one of the ones in my http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37702 listing on Nexus (Clio), I have http://www.ladymoiraine.com/forum/gallery/21/2020-210212031355-214022172.jpeg now. He was painstakingly copied from my main household in The Sims 3. Again, not available. It took far too long to make him plus his install is too hard for the average user.
Clio, as well as every other female in the game used the Type 3 body, an edited version of the face texture that came with it (make up in such an environment is, IMO, stupid, so off it came in Photoshop) and one of the big hair packs out there. Mikoto, I think, although over time I've added to it. Default eyes were replaced with some colours from a favourite Oblivion eye pack (Capucine's).

But, overall I prefer my female characters (when I used to play them) to dress as practically as possible. The silly skimpy outfits http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/imageshare/images/160921-1298874667.jpg (taking on the Fiends with spears while in god mode, for example). Most of the time they wore Reinforced Chinese Stealth Suit or the Ranger Combat Armor, in a lovely shade of black :smile:

There's loads of mods I can't stand, especially when they get to be a Hot File or in the Top 10. I wonder what type of person had voted for them, let alone downloaded them and actually used them. I don't think I want to know. Pistolero summed up what I think as well :smile:
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:33 am

Something nobody has brought up: How do modders feel when players take their works and post images with "anime mods and beauty skins and the like"?

I suppose you could attempt to impose some rules, "please do not post images using this mod which also include sixual activities" for example, but of course there's not much you can do if the rule is ignored. And I guess you're never going to be able to cover all the bases: "Please do not show images of this mod in conjunction with fox girls" :laugh: "Please do not do anything silly with this mod".

Bethesda themselves are in this position. Once you open the door to modding, you open the door to people's imaginations, and that can be a very bizarre world indeed.

Here's a Skyrim video that makes "loli fox girl" above look like the most normal playthough in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhFiBHHbJU&feature=plcp&context=C4115152VDvjVQa1PpcFPpNrjmkSko2hk8ULze09vJt7xOcNkm3Wo%3D :ohmy:
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 10:27 pm

Here's a Skyrim video that makes "loli fox girl" above look like the most normal playthough in the world

After watching that, there's this related video: (Apparently I can't post links yet, being new to this forum. Just search in youtube "The Elder Scrolls Skyrim - I dance for you 2 - Galaxias". In some strange way, was very cool to see in when put with the rest of "those" dance videos)

Anyway, I honestly have very little against those who mod the games to THEIR liking. Who am I to judge? As someone has already stated, let them play the game as they would like. There's no "right" way of playing a game once modding is open to all. Everything is a matter of preference.

Same would apply to the mod authors who release their works to players. I'm in development of a rather large fantasy mod or NV, and I am already visualizing what kinds of pics people will be posting on the Nexus page. I guess, I'll be giving all "those" players a proper home for their characters hahaha (since they refuse to go to Oblivion/Skyrim and do it there). Perhaps they get a kick out of purposely being out context with the game's setting and atmosphere. Perhaps they feel superior, walking around the wasteland with a high-tech skimpy suit of glowyness. Who knows.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 5:53 pm

I'm all for creativity, but I try to keep it within the game's style as possible. I feel that all the power that goes into all the weird stuff that sorely sticks out, we could have amazing things.

That loli fox girl video just proves my point. WHYYYYY??????????????????????

*runs off crying to bed*
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:58 am

I've already posted my opinion on these mods before - I absolutely hate LOATHE them. They make me want to go puke, because they make such beautiful works-of-art such as the FO and TES games look like cheap comedy games.

But I suppose it also goes for what the world's standards on beauty are today. Today says that girls in skimpy clothing and stupid-looking hairstyles is beautiful. I say that the classical, baroque/Renaissance looks were much better for women. They were classy, elegant, and just would be more of my taste if I were even looking for a girlfriend. Now, I have no problem with jeans and a t-shirt, but when those two things become too tight, that's when I do an in-real-life facepalm. The world has become disgusting.

And the styles that so many gamers like to go with on their male characters is skinny, amaciated and sissy-looking boys with flawless skin, no muscle structure or facial hair at all, and silky hair. Why wouldn't anyone want to play as this tall, muscular warrior with an epic beard? Really?

This world is just purely disgusting. I can't wait until the Return.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:44 am

I've already posted my opinion on these mods before - I absolutely hate LOATHE them. They make me want to go puke, because they make such beautiful works-of-art such as the FO and TES games look like cheap comedy games.

But I suppose it also goes for what the world's standards on beauty are today. Today says that girls in skimpy clothing and stupid-looking hairstyles is beautiful. I say that the classical, baroque/Renaissance looks were much better for women. They were classy, elegant, and just would be more of my taste if I were even looking for a girlfriend. Now, I have no problem with jeans and a t-shirt, but when those two things become too tight, that's when I do an in-real-life facepalm. The world has become disgusting.

And the styles that so many gamers like to go with on their male characters is skinny, amaciated and sissy-looking boys with flawless skin, no muscle structure or facial hair at all, and silky hair. Why wouldn't anyone want to play as this tall, muscular warrior with an epic beard? Really?

This world is just purely disgusting. I can't wait until the Return.

Your opinion is 100% fine, but it's just that- your opinion. I don't like the furry mods and unrealistic female proportions and school-girl outfits either; but if someone wants to use them, that's fine by me. I misclicked the latest post button and clicked your profile instead and saw why you were tired of the Nexus site. Frankly, if you don't want to see the advlt mods, there is a filter for non-advlt mods only. And if you were banned for sharing your opinion in the fashion that you just did here, I understand why. The comments section on a mod's page is for issues and help for that mod, not to criticize it. If someone disliked vehicle mods for FO as much as you don't like these kinds of mods and they posted similar opinions on those comment sections, they'd get banned, too.

The beauty of Bethesda games is that they give us the freedom to custom tailor the game to the way we want to play it. Someone using the kinds of mods you don't like will have absolutely no impact on your gameplay. You install the mods you want, and we'll install the mods we individually want. We all have our own separate sandboxes, so you have to go out of your way to criticize another player's sandbox.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 10:31 pm

Unfortunately, I can't accept any of that, to be honest. :-\ I've had enough tolerating those mods and people's views on anime/advlt stuff that somebody needs to take a stand. If I don't take a stand, who will?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:15 am

That's the thing.. there's honestly not a stand to be taken here. What someone chooses to include in their private gaming experience has no effect on anything important. Like I've said, you've already got a filter on the Nexus for showing non-advlt mods only, so being able to see them on the Nexus is a non-issue. There are then absolutely no ways for these kinds of mods to affect you. Let the modders and players be that like these mods. You mod your game the way you want, they can mod the game the way they want.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:55 am

haha

I'm caught in the middle. Yes, there's the whole "it's their game, their privacy" argument that would shut down Jake's argument in a flash. Sure.

But when the anime theme starts to influence, and eventually dominate, what mods are being released on here, nexus, moddb...wherever...it affects us all. Instead of the community recieving respectable "lore-friendly" mods, we start seeing more and more ultra oiled up big booty body replacers. (Kudos to them though, they put just as much effort into their mods as the rest).

So it works both ways. Is there a middle ground?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:12 am

That's assuming that these modders would be making different kinds of mods if they weren't making anime/advlt mods. The thing is, they probably wouldn't. Modders make mods that they'll enjoy, not what the community wants. That's especially true with Bethesda games that have been out for a while such as New Vegas. For new releases (currently, Skyrim), you'll see more lore-friendly mods than anything else at first. As time goes on, most lore-friendly aspects of the game have been "modded out", so to speak. Any new mods released will generally be mods that that particular modder wanted in his game- and that mod might just be an anime model or some such.

Essentially the game has been super-saturated with new lore-friendly content already and anything new is just icing on the cake. You and I just happen to prefer our cake plain.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:34 am

Unfortunately, I can't accept any of that, to be honest. :-\ I've had enough tolerating those mods and people's views on anime/advlt stuff that somebody needs to take a stand. If I don't take a stand, who will?
I admire you for your integrity and courage in taking a stand. The world needs more chisel-jawed people like you that have the conviction to stand up and say "I've had enough of this jiggly cartoon nonsense! The buck stops HERE!" Your outstanding moral fibre truly ranks you among luminaries like Rosa Parks, Sophie Scholl and Chinese Tank Guy.

Personally, I like mods that adhere closer to the art style and spirit of the game, but I've been too weak-willed and apathetic to thumb my nose at the tyranny of these mod creators. I mean how dare they force us to play New Vegas with their big-briasted anime foxes!
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 11:17 pm

You and I just happen to prefer our cake plain.

Dunno if you meant that for me, but if so, that's not entirely the case.

I'm developing a mod called Radiant Flux (google it, can't post links just yet), and it has a heavy fantasy setting. Perfect for all the anime mods. So it isn't that I don't like those mods....it just...can we switch it up a bit?
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 5:55 pm

You know what I hate? Mods that do something, and then claim to do it for the sake of realism, or immersion. "This mod makes all the water in the Wasteland irradiated, and that's more realistic." "This mod removes all the Energy Weapons in the game, and that improves immersion." "This mod fixes the game by adding new content in the form of making all the women look pretty." I very much dislike it. It irritates me to my very core. But in the end, there's little that can be said about taste, and the only thing I can do about it is complain on forums, tell people why it svcks, and not download their stuff myself.
Why do I mention this? Why, because you can change people calling their stuff objectively better than the base game's as much as you can change people making anime mods. Also, consider my irritation at there being a "this mod tints the screen purple and decreases saturation to make the game look real" for every "this mod adds a skintight battle suit for women only that has 50DT and accentuates buttocks and thighs in a wondrous manner". Likewise, consider the sheer number of strange japanophiles there are on the internet, and consider that they'd be weirding it up all the same even if the game didn't have mods. Finally, remember that if you wanna take a stand, you should do it by making mods to your own standards of lore-adherence and so forth - because, after all, good mods will overshadow the bad ones.
(One funny thing I've noticed is that most of the "anime" stuff for Fallout was ported from Japanese (?) Oblivion mods by other people. But from what I've heard, most of the actual modding for New Vegas over there seems to be focused on making it play like Metal Gear Solid...)
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 6:27 pm

Unfortunately, I can't accept any of that, to be honest. :-\ I've had enough tolerating those mods and people's views on anime/advlt stuff that somebody needs to take a stand. If I don't take a stand, who will?
You do realise that many of the modders doing anime themed mods are actually Japanese people don't you? Which means you're condemning them for using their own cultural art style instead of adopting the foreign style you favour.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:34 am

You do realise that many of the modders doing anime themed mods are actually Japanese people don't you? Which means you're condemning them for using their own cultural art style instead of adopting the foreign style you favour.
Its more the fact that its completely out of place, and I don't think cartoonish chilrden with advlt features in revealing outfits represents there entire Japanese art style.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 11:28 pm

My main issues:
-Looking at mod that changes something dialogue based, but in order to see these I need images. I shouldn't have to look at your game's giant briasts.
-A lot of mods require the mods we are discussing, even though it is not the purpose of the mod.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 3:24 pm

Yes, those anime/skimpy mods disgust me as well. You are going to get shot/stabbed if half your body is exposed like that!

In addition to all those anime mods for this game, you know what else I don't like: the mods that add Call of Duty/Battlefield weapons. Unlike the skimpy mods, there is no "No modern weapons" filter, I have to search through all those weapons while looking for lore friendly guns. Guns from 2077 are not the same as guns from 2011.

The only real world weapon mods I download are weapons from 1945 and earlier, and early Cold War weapons (Real life 1964 is where I draw the line)
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 3:50 pm

You know, there was a thread about this regarding Oblivion in the TES General Discussion forum. I said there that because of that thread I would make a completely anime themed Oblivion. Not because I wanted to play it, but rather because merely knowing of its existence would grate upon the very souls of all the anime haters in that thread.

I see now I need to make a New Vegas version. Pleasant dreams :smile:

edit: right forum name
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:27 am

I'm going to shamelessly promote my own mod right now: http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=42840

Criticize it!
I want your negative input on why it's bad. :D (Also I want awarness to it but I have no idea of where I should promote it. >_> )
Though please read the description to find out why I designed it the way i designed it and for which types of players I'm trying to please before you criticize it.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 6:00 pm

Why do some modders like uber realistic, modern weapon and armour mods?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:14 am

Why do some modders like uber realistic, modern weapon and armour mods?

In that regard, I guess this thread should have focused on the importance of lore for mods in general. There are multiple sides to the story there too. Same principle at the end of the day.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 11:23 pm

Why do some modders like uber realistic, modern weapon and armour mods?
Cause they're cool.
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Post » Tue May 01, 2012 6:44 pm

Why do some modders like anime mods and beauty skins and the like?


Well I would define it as the freedom of art :wink:
Like drawing a picture...
Someone has enough fantasy for such thing, enough creativity to know how to produce it and enough motivation to do it and after that the joy to enjoy it for himself.

Since Mods are free there is no question about the liking of others.
Making a challenge of modding isn't the goal it should be fun. And therefore every thing could be done which also doesn't be liked by everyone.
Actually it's even impossible to make something which is enjoyed by the whole humankind.

Also even art isn't enjoyed by everyone... So I don't actually understand what's the goal of this thread or the question which could be answered in 1000 pages of text using all possible coherences. :tongue:
But I prognosticate 'Godwin's law' around page 10 XD
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 4:28 am

I don't really have a problem with these mods, I mostly have a problem with sites that host them and youtubers that review them, and honestly try to make it like they should be taken seriously.

When you got a featured mod list, or a mod review vid, and it goes from a gameplay overhaul project to big naked boobie anime outfit, you can't honestly be taken seriously.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:35 am

It's like in Skyrim, Japanese Anime characters aswell.
But okay, different tastes, but i personally won't use them, it's "unrealistic" in the fallout and Elder Scrolls world.
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