Well, this is precisely what I don't see. How will this work with Water Breathing, Demoralise, Reflect Spell, Detect Life, Invisibility, Fortify Health, Burden, etc. etc. ???

Detect Life, Night Vision, See Invisible? oh maybe something New but maybe we could throw this in with a new spell name called "omniscience" Same idea as with Fire, hold down certain keys for diffrent effects. This might be a poor example.

Reflect Spell, Shield, Fire-Ice-Lightening Shield could all be throw in as one infact you could have one hand with fire, and the other with shield and if you combine you could have "Fire Shield" I'm just throwing out ideas and possibilities that they could do.

Water Breathing, Water Walking, Levitation same idea..... throw it into 1 Spell with diffrent effects

Anyway faster combat combos and such, I think Fable 2 had a good idea on spells they somewhat did this but in a very limited way.

Something you two aren't considering is that in order to enchant anything with a certain effect you may very well need a relevant level of magic skill to impart that effect.

You took the words directly out of my mouth.

Cheers to you and this wondrous post. :foodndrink:

you assume that everything about skyrim that hasn't been mentioned/explained yet is going to be the same as it has been in past games. everything you just said is conjecture.

Problem: Powerful souls=summoning
Solution: make summoned souls unable to be soultrapped

Problem: stones=azura's star (it was in morrowind and oblivion it's probably going to be in skyrim or something similar),
Solution: change the abilities of azura's star

Problem: scrolls are super light so if your @ 100 scrolls it doesnt really effect much.
Solution: Weak scrolls are short and light, the more powerful the spell the longer and heavier the scrolls is (it requires more paper too).

Well, A) they've addressed that specific issue now that conversations are realtime and B) by removing the ability to set the duration of charm spells. Instead of destroying the entire system, you just remove one particular part of it that breaks things.

Most of the problems with specific spell effects could be resolved by changing the mechanics of that spell effect slightly. Constant effect enchantments could still have a charge that drains over time (which would limit abuse of chameleon, invisibility, and so on). Chameleon's duration could vary based on movement and action. Summons could be soulless -- for that matter, you could use a soulgem as a required component for summoning, such that if the spell expires, the gem is fine, if the creature dies, the gem shatters. It would mean that they wouldn't need a billion different summons, just one, where the magnitude indicates the power of soul that can be made brought forth from its gem to serve.

Basically, it seems like they're choosing flashy (and, hopefully, balanced) over choice and customization and maybe a little goofiness as a result. Unlike losing skills, which is basically just a name and number in a spreadsheet, taking away mechanics definitely impacts the player experience.

I hope that the CK lets us make spells. We can at least design some custom spells that way. Still, it's definitely a regression in capabilities, and that's a shame.

Not being able to make spells is a terrible idea that gets rid of game play styles and role play possibilities. If they are not in I'm buying a PC. the more I hear about Skyrim, the less I like. If i wanted mix and match flashy spells, I'll play a Fable. If I want endless depth and customization I want an ES game. Spell creation is one of the things that set the ES series apart from lesser RPGs.

Completely disagree

Why do I want to sacrifice a game mechanic that offered both player freedom and heavily contributed to role playing in return for something as silly as improved graphics?

It's like they took out alchemy but left all the ingredients in the game

Maybe the best thing to do will be to wait for a modder (possibly with the next iteration of the Script Extender) to implement spellmaking before buying on PC. There will probably be a lot of mods out by that time, and unlike consoles, PC games usually to drop in price over time. Maybe you can get a GOTY version with all the DLC too.

I have to make/buy the PC before I can even get the game (which I dont have the money for). LOL

ES game are really one of the only reason I still play games. If they watered it down, I wouldn't really have any reason to game anymore.

Maybe if Bethesda doesn't dumb it down this time around we can make truly amazing spells.

There's no possible reason why taking out spellmaking would be a good thing.

God. Beth could give some of you crap on a platter and you would praise them for it.

In a recent post a user said that an Italian magazine claimed that spell making is out

It could possibly be a mistranslation getting the situation with dual wielding spells confused with actual spell creation

So far though there has been no confirmation either way from the devs

at the time we get the "spell making" altar all the default powers becomes useless, maybe that the reason, they want to keep all the bdefault powers interestings

I think there's actually a large group of us that are indifferent or happy about spellmaking being nixed. especially now that the idea of it being gone has sunk in

the OP should add a poll

Ok that's all fine and dandy but what about the people who did like spell creation?

I mean you always have the option of not creating spells or just ignoring the feature but now you may not have an option at all. It's not right to take out a game feature that has made an appearance in every main game of the series up til this one.

The people that dont want spell creation either;
1. never really used magic, or spell creation.

2. dont care what Beth gives them.

Sources??
Or are you just saying you would like it out and stating your terms why.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1163214-skyrim-italian-coverage-thread-2/

added poll due to a poster suggesting it, tried to keep it as fair as I could

It's not all about taking away aspects from the game, it's about how they can totally revamp the spell system with spellmaking gone

They can make one of a kind spells with effects that would be easily exploited in spellmaking. It makes it so an uber-powerful destruction spell you get from the mages guild can't just be topped way beforehand with spellmaking.

Just because things aren't explained yet people assume that anything not explained is going to be the same as Oblivion.

so yeah oblivion-spellmaking=bad

but skyrim-spellmaking= ?
the possibilities are endless (except the possibility to make your own spell)

Which means the possibilities are limited, if there is no spell creation. If people want to make OP spells in their single player game, then I say go for it. I wont, but who's to say someone else cant. Anyway you look at it, your losing depth by not having spell creation. SC will single handedly be the deciding factor on if I get Skyrim.

No it IS about taking away an aspect of the game because that's exactly what they did (well at least that is speculated at this point). You can revamp the spell system without taking away the freedom of creating spells and you can fix the exploits that people utilized in the last game (point in case: restoration was no longer an effect that you could enchant items with like in Morrowind).

What your not getting at is that the spell system is ALSO limited by spell creation. If you would have read my whole post instead of just taking out the piece you could use to support your argument you would have realized this.

And make Oped spells cost an insane amount of Mana. If they are worried about balance in a single player game, then balance it, don't remove it.