im gonna tell you -who haven't played tes 3 or was such a [censored] to get stuck in the main plot - a little story

when i was an adventurer in morrowind, i made a 3 spells: jump 100 for 5 second, jump 100 for 3 second, jump 100 for 1 second. and i had a ring enchanted with levitation. so when i wanted to travel, i just casted the 3 spells, jumped, and then i flied to where i wanted to go. when i was flieing over the place, i used the enchanted ring. it stopped me mid air, then i started to fall. just before hittimg the ground i used the ring again. thus i arrived unharmed. with this brilliant idea, i revolutiomized space/alteration magic. i had such renown in the mages guild. they used to call me "the flier". but then, fate took a [censored] twist. red mountain errupted, the arragonians, who had primiive culture and always fought defensive guerilla wars defeated the dunmer, who had advanced magic and were the only ones who knew the secrets of ebony crafting. ...and then i took an arrow to the knee, and had to moove to skyrim. now i don't remember most of my spells and theese dumb nords don't even know many magic schools- mysticism for example. now the only destructive spells i know is minor,moderate and big flame/frost/ice.

Bethesda has show that they want to balance the game, hat about spell crafting is so impossible to balance, that it can never be in skyrim ever? Casting two spells simultaneously doesn't let me burn my enemies longer, or make my rune spell stronger. i can't cast a rune spell in the middle of a hallway and runaway knowing that the next enemy to step on it will turn on his allies, with spell crafting i could have.

Because spellmaking is overrated.

Seriously, it's not the "it's the true depth of the series" or how "it is the thing that makes magic real".

They're just magic balls, where you can change their stats.

You'll cast the same spell every time, only the effect will change, the only difference you can see were in the corner, those small icons.

They hardly gave any tactical thought to the game, you just mixed up two or more spells, so you cast them at the same time.


But who the [censored] cares, it's all about variety, nobody gives a [censored] about quality, visible difference, we need choice from millions of the same thing with different names, it makes your character different and that's what makes a real RPG...:bonk:

You do realize that there is no reason spellmaking couldn't use the improved spell forms from skyrim, right?

would you rather have spells with unique appearances and effects and mechanics or different colored blobs of light with different magnitudes durations and areas of effect with the possibility to make your own broken spell? il take option 1 any day.

It's funny and sad at the same time, really.
It's clearly people who don't bother to think and take an actually good suggestion about the game as an insult to their own character and have learned to react blindly to anything or anyone who "dares" to have an opposite opinion.

Seeing people saying that quality or uniqueness = lack of features and lack of flexibility and then saying that "quality over quantity" motto.
Or excuse it with lore.
Or saying that it will not be balanced (without bothering to think that it could be implemented in a balanced way) while at the same time they attack other people saying that already existing skills are not balanced.

Are these arguments even sane?

I bet that if for example TES VI comes out and there is only 1 kind of weapon at Sommerset island, there will be people saying that having one weapon makes it more unique, same "quality over quantity" motto's, or saying that High elves use magic a lot.

PS: The color blobs - another argument of some people who never fail to amaze me - are outdated graphics and having spell making in Skyrim does not mean that it will be exactly the same like it was on Oblivion.

Two issues for me:

1. I never used spellmaking in Morrowind or Oblivion, but I think it would be nice that people who DO like using it at least have the option. The whole point of TES games is that you have options, options and more options. With each game, a few of those options are sliced away; personally I think that Morrowind had the happy medium that Bethesda should've aspired to continue. Accessible enough for the casual player, but intricate enough if you wanted to delve a bit deeper; everyone was happy.

What will be missing from the next game in order to safeguard 'quality over quantity'? Will Alteration be gone? Perhaps Block? Perhaps the Sneak skill? Salami slicing of play options is scary, because by the time we get to TES X, it might be in photorealistic 3D virtual-o-vision in 2020, but you'll have a sword and fireball, and that's that.

2. If they DO release spellmaking as DLC and not as a patch to address the demand, I will be very very angry indeed, for this will demonstrate that they could've put something fundamental in from the beginning, but chose not to. To me, that would be like leaving out archery, smithing or alchemy, and then releasing it as DLC. That would be completely unethical.

Oooh how do you make Spell Tomes?

And you can make staves and scrolls also? I didn't realize that. Care to elaborate?

At least it will be better than nothing :/

Sadly, at this point I wouldnt mind paying a few bucks either to get the magic back into magic

A ton of Daggerfall's skills were clutter.

We didn't get spellmaking because Bethesda couldn't be bothered to code it. They were too busy mocking the fans and promising a bug free game.

Those that miss it, blame Bioshock. Those that are for it, thank Bioshock. :shrug:

Huh? Are you being delusional or just playing another game?

That can be accomplished now simply by perking the right Destruction perks. This EXACT same thing.

No it is not.

First, they burn with any firespell you cast on them for the next 2 seconds.
And second that perk makes them flee when you cast a fire spell on them while they have very low health.

Not the same thing at all.

More like driving a racecar that's only missing the fancy flame decals on the sides.

This is either a joke, or your PC elitism has blinded you to reality.

Oblivion and Morrowind were on consoles, both had spellmaking.

I really hope it's the former and not the latter.

No, I know what I meant.
The oomph is completely gone.

Sooo...

Warrior / melee exploits are "dumbed down", "mindless action", but Mage / magic exploits are totally deep, complex, and intelligent???

You and Xarnac can say "I told you so" until you're both blue in the face, but you'd both pretty much be wrong.

Even without Spellmaking, I still prefer Skyrim's magic system to Morrowind and Oblivion.

From what you are saying and your "viciousness" at double posting and trying to find arguments for your opinion i bet that you have played Skyrim no more than 10 hours or that you haven't even played the previous TES games/never used spell making, just watched some videos on youtube and now being able to have an opinion.

Anyway please don't double post.
Please don't troll this thread any more and use more arguments other than "you are wrong".

I do miss it to be honest, I had a spell in oblivion called "THE FREAKING SUN".

Let me just say dark caves were... Bright as day.

I guess they did it to stop OP spells. Which doesn't make sense because of smithing and enchanting becoming op.

I wouldn't mind them returning, would sure make a spellsword more exciting.

I would venture a guess that the reason why it was left out (and the reason why I don't think it would work) is because of the dual casting, and combining spell effects together and then combining those combined spells together causing bugs and gameplay issues. Dual casting bugs and issues resulting from combined spells being dual cast. Things like that. How the perks system would conflict with combined spells.

Spells.

Not spell effects.

How many of those were the same effects under a different name? Because... that's quite common in Oblivion.