the master level destruction spells are pretty much nuts already, why cant we just make spells up to that strong?

and should you decide to add spell making, just make it so were enchanting blank books or something.

Finally, a reason for all those burned books!

Neither Julianos or Herma-Mora know, and they know pretty much everything.

I do know that I am not buying TES 6.
Not unless we get customisation and choice back.

I know, I hate playing the same pre-set character every time.

Wait.

i love blasting stuff with fire, but i hate that my options are a tiny little jet of fire, or blow the living crap out of everything, including my friends.

100 destruction, running around with a bow, hoping i have enough perks left to make a non gimped character.

Neither of those descriptions matches Incinerate.

This!

Breaks balls and isn't an explosive spell.

i wish spell making was back. and also, it would be cool to turn Rolls of Paper into Spell Scrolls. just saying (looks at mods)...

Why is it still needed? Every spell in Skyrim has its place and uses

As opposed to "throw fire", "touch with fire" and "blow the crap out of everything" like we had previously?

1. Fun, unique spells. Some could use a buff, but this is easily done via modding. There are already mods available.
2. Boring, spreadsheet spells with a Spellmaking system that renders buying high-level spells completely pointless. Just buy the weakest version then Spellmake a godly version of it.

Pick an option, unless you have a suggestion for how you could have both.

But you can do exactly that. You can also make Staves. And you can make spell tomes in game (though very limited in scope). Without mods. This is in game already. Id suggest playing the game your criticizing to discover its features before complaining of a lack of them.

spellmaking is sorely missed. Especially when combined with the slimmest spell selection of any elder scrolls game.
There are a lot of missing tiers/spell type combos, most notably in destruction.

Having to go that stretch from 25 to 75 with only 'fireblast' or 'kill companion' as spell options kinda svcks. [yes, there are sets for every element, the point still stands]
And I would love having a version of 'flame' that did like 50 damage a second I could whip out when that deathlord is on top of me.
Or a master level rune that actually did more than tickle when mobs walk over it, heck, I wouldnt even mind the normal master level windup when casting a rune.

Go to the UESP.
Look at the number of customisable slots in Daggerfall.
Look at the number of spell effects in Daggerfall.
Look at the number of skills in Daggerfall.

Then, retreat to your bed and cry for a week lamenting the loss.
It is an undeniable fact that Skyrim doesnt offer 10% of the character building paths that Daggerfall has.

Agree.

Following that logic you could only have a fireball spell and it would have its "place and use"...

It's needed because Skyrim has nearly no spells at all, I'm missing over half the spells I used in Oblivion and over all Oblivion had 23 times more spells (15 times if you remove the spells that would not work in Skyrim).

Really, the TES series has always been the best game series out there when it comes to spells but now it's just pitiful.

Most of the skills in Daggerfall were extremely shallow, and some completely pointless. The character creation also allowed you to make a god character right from the beginning, with the only payoff being slower leveling.
I do agree that there should be more armor slots and far more spell effects, though. At this point it doesn't seem like we'll be getting pauldrons and greaves and the like back, but hopefully we'll see a Spell Tome DLC in the future that brings back some of the old favorites.

Mark/Recall and Levitation have to stay gone, though. Or make it so they can only be used in exterior cells; they completely break the majority of the dungeon designs.

buy a novice spell, you can only make it at novice strength.

I have been around this series sense the beginning. Boggles my mind to no end, that Bethesda did not include spell making. This is the Elder Scrolls series. Spell making and enchanting were always very fun and deep. Skyrim's feels basic (enchanting anyways). Don't lose hope. Mr. Howard is extremely talented and SMART. We'll see it make it's return in a DLC, it's wanted by everyone of us who have been around or :tes: for what it offers players. Once the CS is out, PC players, will prolly have multiple spell making mods to choose from. It's the console gamers like me (I wait awhile for patches and mods to simmer abit on Nexus. Playing on console helps me avoid temptation.) that have to keep the toes crossed.

I wouldn't mind seeing scroll making. Would put all that charcoal and rolled paper to use!

So... buy a spell effect, then make the same effect at the same strength it was at before?
What does that achieve, exactly?

A huge amount of the spell effects in Daggerfall were bugged or simply never worked, or were in various states of uselessness.

Skyrim reduced the amount of spells to what you'd actually use, though a few more wouldn't hurt. I'll bet you buck dollar that the DLCs will expand that.

Huh?

well it would be like buying a spell then improving upon it slightly, or making it a different function.

buy fireball and make a stronger flames for example.

Hopefully they will see that we want it back and put it in DLC :/

Add to the fact that they just added the dual casting system, meaning combining spells together of differing values, effects and nature could potentially cause more problems. They delved into the matter, but this never saw the final product. See what Mods come out.