Why Stormcloaks are better than the Empire : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:54 pm

No, the Jarl of the reach made a big fuss and promised open worship in exchange for getting rid of the Forsworn. He then reneged on his deal. All Ulfric did was accept an offer made to him.

Fine, than the jarl is at fault that does not mean that it's their empire fault.

And Hammerfell win, yes but that was then, this is now, the dominion already has enough time to recuperate.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:53 pm

Even though I support the Empire, I wouldn't mind it crumbling. Had enough with the politics and large governments.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:36 am

Haha, same. I honestly think the next DLC will deal with this.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Damn story should focus more on the Dragonborn. I feel so neglected in skyrim

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:44 pm

In the Canon, niether Tullius nor Ulfric die. The stalemate weakens, the empire crumbles, the stormcloak ranks are thinned, and the aldmeri invade

No, we don't know what happens in canon. I think

Spoiler

whomever takes over after Titus Mede dies will strengthen the Cyrodiil-Skyrim bond/reconquer Skyrim. Seem like a more likely option since it renders the mutually exclusive choice obsolete, like the Warp in the West did.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:32 pm

If Skyrim is "liberated" by the Empire, then they still wouldn't have free worship of Talos, because of the Aldmeri Dominion. If the Stormcloaks won and decided to let Talos be worshiped freely, then the Dominion will more than likely take notice and starting moving into Skyrim and taking over. The Stormcloaks winning Skyrim is much worse because they have no support from anyone else.

Skyrim is a natural fortress. The only reason that Skyrim is in the empire is because the empire started in Skyrim (Talos was a general under the King of Falkreath). Let them come.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:35 pm

Because Skyrim have the Alik'r. Right? But they don't.

They have the Dovahkiin, which is 5x better.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:46 pm

Really don't like the canon where none of them win and the Aldmeri Dominion just grow stronger. Better be plenty of Altmer to kill in future DLC and games. :swear:

(No offense to Altmer players)

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:52 pm

Haha, same. I honestly think the next DLC will deal with this.

I could see the Empire bringing in spears. Very Roman-esque. Don't know that it'd help any more than their current loadouts, though. Not against magicka users.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:20 pm

Something worth mentioning is that the Empire did take back the Imperial City, and Tullius turned the situation aroind for the Imperial supporters in a couple of months. I think the Empire have better military leadership at the end fo the day. Sadly their political leaders doesn't seem as competent :shrug:

The Empire may have underestimated the Thalmors motives and thought that peace would be preferable to a large loss of life trying to take Alinor. (Similar to the decision to not launch a conventional assult of Japan in WW2). They may not have known the Thalmor intended to infiltrate the Imperial Empire in the way we see in Skyrim.

Also bear in mind that the Thalmor have the upper hand, they already have a large foothold on the mainland and uninterrupted supply lines from Alinor. They also have a large and strong navy. The Empire can not hope to threaten the Altmer without a foothold on the Summerset Isle.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:31 am

Skyrim is a natural fortress. The only reason that Skyrim is in the empire is because the empire started in Skyrim (Talos was a general under the King of Falkreath). Let them come.

Alinor is more fortified than Skyrim.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:48 am

They have the Dovahkiin, which is 5x better.

You're saying one man who can shout is much better than the entire Alik'r?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:19 pm

i totally see that. Empire crumbles with stormcloaks and the dragonborn has to piece together an alliance between the two in order to make a final assualt against the thalmor...in an oblivion gate. Jk bout the last part, i just had to throw it over the top.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:56 am

Anyway, this thread is near post limit, should we go get a second thread?

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:52 am

and yes since an entire nation of Alikr couldnt destroy alduin and 1 dovahkiin can

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:59 pm

You're saying one man who can shout is much better than the entire Alik'r?

Dovahkiin has the restoration loop, he's covered.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:31 pm

yea, ill make one quick

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:34 am

i totally see that. Empire crumbles with stormcloaks and the dragonborn has to piece together an alliance between the two in order to make a final assualt against the thalmor...in an oblivion gate. Jk bout the last part, i just had to throw it over the top.

The sequel should have the Dovahkiin travelling to every Province, Akavirir (to get Nerevarine), and the Psijic island in order to raise an army against the Thalmor.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:49 am

Hammerfell has the best swordsman on Tamriel and is mostly desert, even the greatest of real empires has had it's campaigns halted because of deserts. If Skyrim truly becomes a threat the Altmer can just go through Cyrodill to Skyrim.

While fighting on another front in Hammerfell? That's what the Nazis thought too when Hitler decided to invade Russia while simultaneously fighting in the west. How'd that work out?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:17 pm

I don't see the Dovahkiin doing that. Traveling around gaining support against the AD. His soul purpose is to really slay dragons. Though I do not see no other hero that ranks higher than the Dragonborn.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:27 pm

The Empire may have underestimated the Thalmors motives and thought that peace would be preferable to a large loss of life trying to take Alinor. (Similar to the decision to not launch a conventional assult of Japan in WW2). They may not have known the Thalmor intended to infiltrate the Imperial Empire in the way we see in Skyrim.

Also bear in mind that the Thalmor have the upper hand, they already have a large foothold on the mainland and uninterrupted supply lines from Alinor. They also have a large and strong navy. The Empire can not hope to threaten the Altmer without a foothold on the Summerset Isle.

Taking Alinor is probably the same as trying to invade Skyrim in the winter: A doomed effort without a foothold. However the Empire is probably in a military position of advantage if the Stormcloaks are defeated(after a few years at least). The lore(unless I have missed something) states that elves reproduce slow compared to humans and the Aldmeri forces were decimated. Valenwood and Elseweyr should be the Empire first priority IMO, so they can weaken the Thalmors influence on the world :shrug:

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:57 am

I'm glad you guys argue about video games.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:34 pm

Ulfric is a thalmor informant. How is that better?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:19 pm

I had heard from someone that Bethesda will release 4-5 more dlc's 3-4 smaller ones (like Dawngaurd) and one large one. So maybe one of those will end our eternal debate.

Which I still say neither side is right.

Oh and with my comment on the Thalmor wanting to destroy all mankind was theorized in this thread along with the end of the world: www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/nklj2/you_know_those_runes_on_the_lids_of_the_bug_jars/?limit=500

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:47 pm

Second thread has been posted, maybe we should move there and leave this thread be or ask a mod to lock it.