This. Read the book "The Great War". Even one of the Empire's Legates admitted that if the war continued, they probably could have either won or at the very least drawn the Dominion to a stalemate. When the Nordic armies from Skyrim finally got into the fray, that's when the war started turning and when the Empire was able to recapture their capital. The Emperor was just too tired of war to push his advantage.

Plunging a blade into his chest felt good. He was a wise man, but only cared about Cyrodil, and not the Empire.

You're a war hero and a demon of the depths, Bigbossbalrog. So I trust you.

But I'm skeptical. I'll give the man a chance.

How anyone could go from the chopping block straight up to solitude to kill Tullius' ass is beyond me.

n kind has lost all hope of surviving speaking tacticly, the thalmor (who took less losses, apperently) will have just as much time to regroup, meaning mankind is just as screwed as ever. and i did play the DB quest line, he was not as bad as i expected him to be, still he made the wrong choices, time to give ulfric his turn at comand

I went there for an apology. And he was mean to me.

Mede cares only about Cyrodiil. If he refused to sign the treaty, Cyrodiil, and only Cyrodiil, was at risk. The tide of the war was turning when he gave in to the Thalmor.

It was a foolish choice made because he was tired of war, and as a direct result of that decision the world nearly was ended.

I'd like to add that there is just ONE thing that seals the deal for me in this debate.

Stormcloaks want to invade Whiterun..

http://i43.tinypic.com/2whp74y.jpg

Its Tullius and the empire that allows the Thalmor to run around in skyrim kidnapping people.

Ulfric Made many tactical Errors...His Biggest was The Markath Incident...This is Why The Thalmor have those patrols All other skyrim!

this whole thread is R E T A R D E D

The only thing [censored] about this thread is your post in it.

Not Really 3 LEGIONS Were completley Wiped out....And The Few remaining Legions Had Only Half There men alive...

The Markarth incident was an agreement between Ulfric and... I'm not sure actually. The Jarl of Markarth or an Imperial representative? Whoever it was, they failed to uphold their side of the bargain. They could have just not made it.

Tullius is not likeable at all.
But then again, Ulfric's a racist bastard so...

When I sided with the Stormcloaks I only felt bad about Rikke.

Honestly there's no right side, they both do things that are hated. But still.

[censored] the stormcloaks, Imperials number 1.

It was the Jarl

Empire: Hey Ulfric, if you clear out those forsworn for us, we'll let you guys worship Talos here.
"Really?"
Yep. Get to it.
"Awesome!"
Just kidding, go to jail, do not pass go.
"What the [censored]"

I didn't agree that they deserved to be oppressed and killed. I simply stated that the empire was justified in the steps they took. Ulfric started an uprising that would have damaged the empire in it's recovering attempts to combat the Thalmor. The empire wanted to execute him to nip the problem at the root. Since he escaped, many more casualties were had. The Stormcloaks killed many imperials in the way that many imperials killed many stormcloaks. I walked up to a shack in the middle of no where and watched a random imperial and stormcloak fight to the death in front of some terrified woman. The Stormcloak won and began walking off into the distance shouting some racist comment about how my Breton has a filthy Mer mother. The Stormcloaks, while not entirely racist, have a lot of Nazi-like ideas about the way the country should be run as well as their status compared to others. The Nords oppressed and killed thousands of Foresworn for years. Even if I felt the Stormcloaks had some justification in their rebelion, I wouldn't side with them because they're complete jerks. They push people around, use racial slurs, drink without paying at bars, beat up townspeople, recruit unwilling people, openly defy neutrality, and they're selfish. There's no place for them in my empire, not if they are openly going to cause trouble and cause collateral damage and kill anyone who opposes their cause.

So, from what I have read in this thread, the Empire was starting to win the Great War then the Emperor capitulated so they both could build up their strength and even more people could die as a result of this conflict instead of pushing them back and ending the Almeri Dominion? Wow, that does it, I'm permanently siding with the Stormcloaks.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War

It was THE JARL!!!!!!!!!!!!

ya because arguing that an opinion right or wrong is such an intelligent discussion.

ulfric's errors did not damn humanity to a slow and painful death to appease gods that, most likely, do not care about humanity in the slightest. mede's horrible tactics has given the thalmor time to recover, and the ability to pick off the emprie piece by piece without open war and without thalmor loss. at least ulfric would have pressed the advantage, and attempted to defeat the thalmor when he had the oppritunity. and that is not why the thalmor are in skyrim, the thalmor are everywhere killing anyone who could be a threat when the war resumes (and every talos worshipper they find), and it is perfectly legal according to mede

We're debating the facts, actually. Not that I'm surprised you can't tell the difference.

WRONG. His biggest mistake was picking a fight with Whiterun. AKA picking a fight with my Yarl.

He don' goofed. :mohawk: