why stormcloaks are the wrong side

Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:23 pm

WRONG. His biggest mistake was picking a fight with Whiterun. AKA picking a fight with my Yarl.

He don' goofed. :mohawk:

Vignar seems to be a capable jarl.
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lillian luna
 
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:14 pm

So racists don't have a right to freedom of religion and speech, and the Empire is justified in oppressing and killing them because they're racists?


Yes, racists have no place anywhere.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:20 am

The Reachmen KILL people. Their rule wasn't peaceful, the writer of bear of markarth is an imperial ass kisser.

Thus was brokered to the witch: his heart, his will, his humanity. From that day forth, his was a spirit of vengeance, pitiless and beyond remorse. The rebels grew in strength and numbers, and none could stand against them. Faolan's eyes burned coldly in those days, black opals reflecting a mind not entirely his own. Two years passed, and the foreigners were all but driven from the Reach.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-legend-red-eagle

THIS is what forsworn are. They aren't a kind people. The ones in the wild attack anyone without prejudice. They murder people for the Hagraven's rituals.

People seem to be blowing the racism thing way out of proportion. The forsworn briarhearts aren't human anymore. Most elves have no issues with stormcloaks save the grey quarter elves. One of them even mentions that they aren't getting along because the Dunmer don't want to fit in. http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-decree-monument They don't pay tithes to the Jarls, or even owe allegiance to them.

2 drunks in windhelm(Who aren't even a part of the stormcloak forces) is a terrible way to judge an entire cause.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:04 am

We're debating the facts, actually. Not that I'm surprised you can't tell the difference.


hahaha the "wrong side" is purely a matter of opinion.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:01 am

Personally, I dont pick a side based on information that could only be known if you have already played to the end. I choose based on what my character knows at that point that he is required to choose.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:14 pm

WRONG. His biggest mistake was picking a fight with Whiterun. AKA picking a fight with my Yarl.

He don' goofed. :mohawk:

ah Thank You Good sir :) Can You "Stormcloaks" Explain The Sacking oF Whiterun....
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:05 am

ah Thank You Good sir :) Can You "Stormcloaks" Explain The Sacking oF Whiterun....


Balgruuf sided with the empire.

It's pretty simple really.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:57 am

hahaha the "wrong side" is purely a matter of opinion.


Based entirely (or so one would hope) on the facts.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:58 am

ah Thank You Good sir :) Can You "Stormcloaks" Explain The Sacking oF Whiterun....

I don't believe there's any sacking involved.

But, still... when I was young, there was this girl on the playground I liked. And I expressed it by tossing dirt at her. Same concept, really.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:23 am

Balgruuf sided with the empire.

It's pretty simple really.

He Was Pretty Neutral At the Time...He Was Forced into Action By Ulfric!(Who he knew was probally going to attack)
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:12 am

He Was Pretty Neutral At the Time...He Was Forced into Action By Ulfric!(Who he knew was probally going to attack)


You don't run a war by sitting on your ass for its entirety.

Well...unless you're Titus Mede II.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:50 pm

ah Thank You Good sir :) Can You "Stormcloaks" Explain The Sacking oF Whiterun....

He didn't know that we were bro's. *brofists Balgruuf*

http://i43.tinypic.com/2whp74y.jpg
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:35 am

He Was Pretty Neutral At the Time...He Was Forced into Action By Ulfric!(Who he knew was probally going to attack)



You can't hold a strategically critical position and maintain neutrality forever. If Ulfric hadn't forced his hand, the Empire eventually would have. Do you think his choice would have been any different when that happened?
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:15 pm

Ok, I was mistaken, I guess that was another history book where the author concluded if the war continued the Empire would have won (the Legate simply says "we couldn't have known what would happen"). Still, the Legions might have been heavily damaged, but if the people of Hammerfell fought the Thalmor to a standstill, one can only imagine if those Legions were in play what could have transpired. To be fair, the Empire didn't know the strength of the Thalmor. That doesn't mean they should have thrown Hammerfell to the dogs to save themselves.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:48 pm

For those thinking the Empire is going to just rest a bit and regain their strength before continuing the fight against the Thalmor, that is wistful thinking. History has always shown us the puppert governments have a vested interest in keeping the country under foreign yoke. The day the country torns off the chains of it's foreign masters, is the day the people drag their politicians out of their homes and beat them to death.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:25 pm

You can't hold a strategically critical position and maintain neutrality forever. If Ulfric hadn't forced his hand, the Empire eventually would have. Do you think his choice would have been any different when that happened?

AtLeast The Empire Actually did It Peacefully!
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:07 am

In this thread I see no reasons why the Stormcloaks are the wrong choice, but how they are the lesser evil.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:54 pm

The Empire is weak, and deserves to die. They signed the White-Gold Concordat and sealed their own fate. They sacrificed Hammerfell for the “greater good” of the Empire along with banning Talos worship.


It is better to die on your feet then live on your knees!
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:01 pm

AtLeast The Empire Actually did It Peacefully!


How nice of them. And Ulfric is supposed to just lie down and die, is that it? :rolleyes:
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:10 am

AtLeast The Empire Actually did It Peacefully!


The Empire would have attacked if Balgruuf sided with the Stormcloaks.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:59 pm

The Empire is weak, and deserves to die. They signed the White-Gold Concordat and sealed their own fate. They sacrificed Hammerfell for the “greater good” of the Empire along with banning Talos worship.


It is better to die on your feet then live on your knees!

Ulfric Gave It To The Thalmor when he was captured He is A God Damm Hippocrit!
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:39 am

Ulfric Gave It To The Thalmor when he was captured He is A God Damm Hippocrit!


No he didn't. You misread the article. They tricked him into thinking he had helped give them the city.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:20 pm

Ulfric Gave It To The Thalmor when he was captured He is A God Damm Hippocrit!

Maybe he's just buying time from the Thalmor to gather his strength.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:10 am

Ulfric Gave It To The Thalmor when he was captured He is A God Damm Hippocrit!

As I understood it they tried to make him their puppet, but after the Markarth they lost control over him and see him as a threat if he manages to unite Skyrim.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:40 am

So you would rather put up with an autocracy than risk the dangers of freedom? I would love to know your nationality. (Never mind; I'm pretty sure I've guessed correctly.)
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