The Imperials tried to take off my head so the hell with them! Long live Ulfric!

Way I see it, the bottom line is that the Empire fights for power, and to control Tamriel; the Stormcloaks, regardless of any motivations Ulfric may or may not have, fight as a people to retake their homeland.

Maybe you value power and such, I fight for my people.

Imperials steal sweetrolls.

Most experienced TES players side up with The Empire, most people who are new to the series with Skyrim join the stormcloaks, why? Because the empire, especially Tullius, are huge cocks in skyrim.

But, I think everyone that has played Daggerfall and Oblivion feels some kind of bonding with the Empire. That's why I'll always support them.

The Stormcloaks aren't racist... Ulfric's second in command is an elitist racist [censored], yes, but the Stormcloaks don't want Riften solely for the Nords... they just want it to be run by the people who actually have a real stake in its future, and don't percieve that a foriegn regime has such a stake. They aren't racist as an organization in any fashion. Many of the soldiers are blood thirsty border racist douchebags, but the mere fact that you become Ulfric's left hand (second only to the racist [censored] that is his right hand) by the end of the storyline regardless of your race proves this. As long as you are for returning Skyrim to the people (all the people, not just the Nords, though the Nords are the natives, thus are in abundance) then it doesn't matter what race you are. You could be a moogle (if moogle's were in the Elder Scrolls games) and they wouldn't care.

That are allowed to operate by the Empire.

The Empire is the only reason Hammerfell had to drive them out. It gave them up in the surrender. Then declared them enemies for defending themselves.


I haven't been able to find details on Karthwasten outside of a passing reference at the peace conference.

The Stormcloaks misdeeds don't justify the Empire's. As was said, the enemy is the Thalmor. Of the two groups, only one of them is fighting them. The other is helping them.

The same happens if you listen to citizens in Stormcloak run Holds and Imperial camps. Listening to the people talk, everyone has justifiable reasons for what they do. I was at my friend's house last night and he did the Stormcloak side. I listened to people at taverns. The Stormcloaks were more violent, drank more, demanded free room and board, started fights. They caused a ton of collateral damage. Even if I felt that the Stormcloaks were justified in what they do, I wouldn't side with them because they're complete jerks with a superiority complex. Absolutely racist too. You wouldn't believe how many jew-like racist comments I've gotten about my Breton.

Not necessarily true. I have played Morrowind and Oblivion alot and in OB I wanted a Legion faction more than anything, but in Skyrim I'm rather undecided because at first the Stormcloaks seemed right, then I looked more into it, got more points of view(on this forum among other places) started to think the Empire is the right way, and now I'm tipping in favor of the Stormcloaks again.

Unfortunately, you can't kill her. I tried (><).

DO NOT MESS WITH TULLIUS! If You actually talk to Him Its Reavealed That He has A Burning Hatred for The Thalmor! And He is very Nice to his Men!

What happens to the Thalmor in-game if you side with the Stormcloaks? Do they disappear? Do they remain at their embassy?

sadly, it is not the same Empire it used to be brother, things have changed for the worse. Uriel and Martin never would have let this happen. They know how important the Talos is, and they would never have backed down from a fight.

I think they have to remain at the embassy for those who haven't completed the main quest. I do know that they're kicked out of solitude, and the tower where they were staying is empty.

I talked to Tullius once. He was a bleep.

"I'm sure your incarceration was just a misunderstanding."
Ehh, you being sarcastic? I'm sure that chain lighting in your face is just a misunderstanding.

And this is how I know who in that room is and isn't essential.

So racists don't have a right to freedom of religion and speech, and the Empire is justified in oppressing and killing them because they're racists?

Well that's true. But it also becomes quite apparent that he is completely close-minded about the Nord culture. He offends Legate Rikke on numerous occasions. Wich makes him atleast a little dike.

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The Empire cannot start another great war yet as it is not ready. Time is needed, They must build, They must prepare.
The day of reckoning is approching for the Thalmor.

The Stormcloaks are the only reason why the Thalmor are even in Skyrim.
Indeed one is helping them, But its not the Empire.

The Septim Empire isn't much without the Septims.

Divide and conquer. Sure the Thalmor will be overjoyed when the empire tears itself to shreds.

Those who would sacrifice their liberty for safety do not deserve either.
Give me liberty or give me death!

I dunno. He has a point. Ulfric is aiming to be High King because he wants to be High King, shove out the Thalmor and to push the empire from Skyrim, but the empire doesn't follow their traditions so he was branded a criminal after winning the challenge. He fought in the Great War, sure. But does this make him right, good, or just? Hell no. It just makes his views ideal for the current event. Though those loyal to the empire(like me) are still reminiscing the Septim Dynasty, but those days are gone. It will be as it always has been. The Empire will sunder and heal, gain a new Emperor and a new Dynasty with its own enemies(Could be Hammerfell or High Rock some day). This is assuming the Dark Brotherhood doesn't bugger off the new Emperor like they did a long time ago. However, the Empire is right to defend Skyrim's loyal populace from Ulfric due to his arrogant, brash and stupid way of saying "You're either with me or against me". Not to forget I'd rather pay homage to an impoverished Emperor than be forced to fight for some brash snowback. XD

Ulfgar is and unwitting asset of the Thalmor as long as he doesn't win the civil war.

Anyone winning the civil war is bad for the Thalmor.

If the Empire wins, it makes the empire stronger, allowing them to recover their legions faster and become stronger than ever. Legions full of veteran troops from the north with an unparalleled hatred for the Thalmor when the time comes.

If Stormcloaks win the civil war, the Thalmor will be utterly destroyed in Skyrim. Both the Dominion and the Empire will be weaker for it, but Skyrim could still be allies with the empire against the dominion.

There is no wrong side... unless it's the Thalmor...

I'd say that siding with the empire is best,maybe not for jusk skyrim but for the whole of tamriel.

Empire brings in alot of trade, equality and standard, and if it controlls several nations again might be able to fend off the aldmari occupation.

Neither did Titus mede II.