why stormcloaks are the wrong side : V

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:15 am

For one their whole meaning they stand behind makes no sense the empire was made by talos so therefor skyrim is originally the empirals home. The rebellion is all just a big ruse from the thalmar to break apart the empire so they can take over more easily. Some of you may know this allready but for those having trouble picking sides hope this helps!

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:03 am

And the imperials tried to remove my head! Death to the empire!

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:44 am

Wrong side? ha! Down with the Empire.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:13 am

There is no wrong or right side. Stopped reading at "a ledger about ulfric stating that he is working with the thalmar" because it proves you don't seem to understand anything.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:46 am

I'll side with the guys who aren't doing mass roundups and summary executions.

Group A offers you a quick death at the headsman.
Group B offers FREEEEDOOOOOOM

I can see how that's tough for people.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:28 pm

The Empire is the future of Tamriel.
The Rebellion will be crushed!
"The Rebels have taken windhelm? Take it back!"

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:17 am

There is no wrong or right side. Stopped reading at "a ledger about ulfric stating that he is working with the thalmar" because it proves you don't seem to understand anything.

Then why don't you explain it to them?

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:21 am

For one their whole meaning they stand behind makes no sense the empire was made by akatosh so therefor skyrim is originally the empirals home. Also during the thalmar embassy mission theres a ledger about ulfric stating that he is working with the thalmar so the rebellion is all just a big ruse from the thalmar to break apart the empire so they can take over more easily. Some of you may know this allready but for those having trouble picking sides hope this helps!

Empire was made by Talos, you may be thinking of the First Empire, and Skyrim is the first place the Nords landed in Skyrim, and the Imperials descend from them. It is not the same Empire anymore, no more Septims. The Thalmor want the civil war to continue, but not to end, but yes, that is what they planned.

But all in all, the Stormcloaks are just as bad/good as the Empire

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:49 am

That dossier on Ulfric says no such thing. It states that the Thalmor have an interest in the war continuing, but do not support him directly. Ulfric hates the Thalmor with a passion and would love nothing more than to murder them all. A good attitude in my book.

More importantly, the Empire tried to cut off my head. Why would anyone in their right mind help someone who tried to execute them for no reason?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:34 pm

Then why don't you explain it to them?

Thing is he dumbed down an advanced concept into a wrongful result.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:09 pm

The Stormcloak side is more fun. And that's enough for me. Ulfric is by far the most interesting character in the game, good or evil, and with him dead the entire game is just plain dull. A Stormcloak victory makes everything so much more interesting. After playing through both I now go with the Stormcloaks, every time.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:07 am

the empire is the bad side here, and your points are invalid as they are wrong

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:12 am

I chose the empire because I did the Markarth Foresworn mission and found out

Spoiler

Foresworn are basically natives of Skyrim that were rounded up and genocided by the Nords

so they're total hypocrites. Also, The Jarl of Whitrun is much cooler than any Battleborn, and I feel he was justified in his neutrality.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:42 pm

The day words are enough, will be the day soldiers like us are no longer needed.
I would gladly retire from the world, were such a day to dawn.

You have my sword.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:45 am

Christ.

wow grammar nazi much?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:03 pm

I chose the empire because I did the Markarth Foresworn mission and found out

Spoiler

Foresworn are basically natives of Skyrim that were rounded up and genocided by the Nords

so they're total hypocrites. Also, The Jarl of Whitrun is much cooler than any Battleborn, and I feel he was justified in his neutrality.

Yeah, but remember who replaces the Jarl of Riften if you side with the Imperials. To me, that is far worse. That alone made me regret joining the Empire.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:22 pm

The only good Imperial is a headless one.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:36 am

I chose the empire because I did the Markarth Foresworn mission and found out

Spoiler

Foresworn are basically natives of Skyrim that were rounded up and genocided by the Nords

so they're total hypocrites. Also, The Jarl of Whitrun is much cooler than any Battleborn, and I feel he was justified in his neutrality.

Thats also one of the reasons i picked empire ulfric is just as bad as the empire as far as rounding up people and executing for no reason

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:57 am

Thats also one of the reasons i picked empire ulfric is just as bad as the empire as far as rounding up people and executing for no reason

You mean the Leader of this Rebellion and his top Soldiers?
No reason, Pfft!

The Stormcloaks are selfish and will die from starvation. Where do you think most of Skyrims food comes from?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:24 pm

Yeah, but remember who replaces the Jarl of Riften if you side with the Imperials. To me, that is far worse. That alone made me regret joining the Empire.

Who replaced him? I never payed much attention in Riften. Once I got to the thieves guild, I just fast traveled there for everything.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:01 pm

Thats also one of the reasons i picked empire ulfric is just as bad as the empire as far as rounding up people and executing for no reason

Ulfric wasn't involved in Forsworn genocide. That was decades ago by the people of the Reach, which is the complete opposite side of Skyrim from him.

Only thing he did was help take Markarth back after the Forsworn invaded it.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:21 am

The day words are enough, will be the day soldiers like us are no longer needed.
I would gladly retire from the world, were such a day to dawn.

You have my sword.

Assuming he actually meant that. Ulfric is VERY good at saying what other people want to hear. It's difficult to tell if he's telling the truth because of that. But that's what makes the Stormcloak storyline so much more interesting, in my opinion.

Who replaced him? I never payed much attention in Riften. Once I got to the thieves guild, I just fast traveled there for everything.

Spoiler

Maven Black-Briar. At least the previous Jarl cared about the people of Riften and generally wanted to help them. Maven just sits on the throne and gloats about all the power she has now. Riften is screwed with her as the Jarl.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:00 am

You mean the Leader of this Rebellion and his top Soldiers?
No reason, Pfft!

The Stormcloaks are selfish and will die from starvation. Where do you think most of Skyrims food comes from?

Not to mention racist! They want skyrim nord only even if many other races call skyrim their home.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:58 pm

Thats also one of the reasons i picked empire ulfric is just as bad as the empire as far as rounding up people and executing for no reason

their rituals involve murder and eating of human flesh though? that is frowned upon by any society, which means they would be spurned and ostracized by the imperials aswell, meaning the empire would (most likely) kill every last one of them if they were in that position (and ulfric did not actually attempt to kill them all, he jsut freed the region form them)

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:36 pm

I played through and supported the Stormcloaks which I later regretted.

It seems the White-Gold Concordat was designed by the Thalmor as a form of divide and conquor. They knew forcing in a ban on Worshipping Talos would cause unrest in Skyrim, thus forcing the Empire to divert military resources to quell the inevitable rebellion. The entire civil war seems to be a Machiavellian ruse to weaken the Empire.

Well that was General Tullius' opinion on his defeat anyway. I have to say I agree. The real enemy isn't the Empire, but the Thalmor.

I still haven't quite forgiven the Empire for trying to cut my head off though.