what valid points?!? That there is nothing to back up your side bland yet it is allegedly more plausible? I don't think you know what the word valid means

Okay, my bad. The game is INTENDED to give players a very high probability of receiving X-01 in at least 1 of a given few locations. If players weren't intended to get X-01 suits, I probably wouldn't have three of them that I just randomly found. I probably wouldn't have a steamer trunk full of extra X-01 parts.


This isn't some ultra hard to find easter egg power armor. It is a part of the game. Paladin Danse puts on a suit of X-01 after Blind Betrayal for crying out loud. It is in the game. Where'd he get it from? Who knows. It wasn't there the first time I talked to him after he got banished. He definitely didn't go back to the Prydwen for it. He must have found it out in the wasteland somewhere. If you have a better explanation for how he got it, I'm all ears.

oh where did that BoS vet get that Enclave armor after the BoS beat the Enclave a decade ago...hmm no clue I guess you got me there unless there is some blatant logic I'm ignoring all of a sudden...oh wait

Exactly what kind of fallacy am I posting? Could you be more specific?

Why would they make X-01 so readily available in the game after a certain point, if the players were not intended to get at least 1 suit of X-01? Can you explain that? Why would they put this in the game if it was not intended to be widely used? I have three full sets of X-01 that I did not go actively looking for. I randomly found them.


My bad. I thought they were level guaranteed. They apparently just give incredibly, hugely high odds of finding one past a certain level because essentially everyone has been able to find one at 35 Court past a certain level.

Seriously though, could you specify what kind of fallacy I'm posting here?

The point is not everything said or written in the game is considered cannon. If it was established within the narrative of this game that it couldn't be here then you guys would have leg but to my knowledge it does not.

You must not be listening. Danse flees from the Brotherhood. When you go to see Danse, he does not have any power armor. Immediately following this conversation, Danse gets banished from the Brotherhood and threatened with death upon contacting anyone from the Brotherhood. The next time you visit Danse he has a set of X-01. He didn't get it from the Prydwen. So instead of speaking in anologies, perhaps you could just explicitly tell me what your theory is. How, exactly, did Danse get this set of X-01?

To a point i agree. But Bethesda has EVERY fraking right to take the bits of fallout lore THEY like and drop all the rest. This is their IP now not some long dead studio's. To expect Bethesda to be beholden to what people did 18 bloody years ago is UNREASONABLE. Entertainment media gets reimagined all the fraking time. I love Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's work that doesn't stop me from enjoying the BBC series Sherlock even though it breaks CANON all the FRAING time. Why? because I am not a child. When you OWN an IP you have the right to change said IP. Stop being a petulant child and stomping your feet that Fallout has been bought from a company that FAILED as a studio. Sorry but when your Studio FAILS to sell games that is the failing of the developers and NOT the customers. Stop blaming everyone but the real culprits here, Black Isle Studios, had they made BETTER games that people would BUY then they would still be around and they would own the IP and make the games you seem to want.

But they DIDN'T they FAILED, they were NOT good enough. If you don't like it then BUY the licence from Bethesda and make your own Fallout game. Can't afford it? then try cloud funding. Stop the tantrum and DO something besides QQ on a forum about how terrible Bethesda studios is for not being slaves to an IP. The IP should serve the game not the game serve the ip.

If I was supreme overlord of Bethesda I would have made the X-01 be a small quest in some small part of the map. A old Enclave soldier wearing that same suit after he journeyed away from Navarro, constantly fighting a guerilla war like those old Japanese Holdouts against the wasteland scum that he so despises. And then the Sole Survivor comes along, a man from a different era himself. After so many years of fighting, he is old and frail, and seems to be sustained only by his hatred of those impure mutants. But its all coming to a end now, the player character is here with his powers to cheat death and kill absolutely anyone. Maybe he can talk him out of his armour, only to plug him in the back of the head. Maybe the male PC can say that he was a officer in the pre war, regardless of if he was or not, and bring him to lay down his arms. Or there's the most exciting way of a final climix to the mans life, finally falling in battle and thus his old and worn armour is repaired and lives on yet again with a new wanderer of the wastes.

That'd be pretty damn cool. Im not going to say that my way of doing things is somehow better or superior, but in a alternate universe where I had control that would be how I would have personally done it.

so by your logic even though plenty of info in game says something we can believe the opposite because everything is a lie...NOTHING ever states that the Enclave or X-01 have a basis for being in Boston, not a single tiny fragment of info, yet we have tons of info over multiple games that says he Enclave made APA post war on the opposite side of the country...this is insane levels of logic jumping and I dare say you should be committed to an institution

Argument from Ignorance fallacy. Just because you don't know or lack of evidence, doesn't mean your point is correct, it's actually far from it, to the point this fallacy can also be seen as shifting the burden of proof upon someone else. That's not very professional in debating.

Retcon everything after 20 years. Gotcha, sounds like a plan.

Also stop presuming, I played Fallout 2 in 2008. I prefer Fallout as a Bethesda-style RPG.

You not liking or agreeing with my points doesn't invalidate them. Bethesda put X-01 power armor in the game because they intended the players of the game to use the X-01 power armor. If this isn't true, then why did Bethesda put it in the game? It's not some easter egg suit of armor, regardless of it only being a probabilistic chance of finding it above a certain level. It is not difficult to find it, even accounting for the statistical odds of finding it in the first place. There are MANY people who have found it. There is even an Institute paint job for it that unlocks after finishing the game with them.


Could this maybe imply that the Institute had something to do with it? That perhaps the Enclave wasn't completely honest about having created X-01 themselves?

Could you point out the instances where this occurred?

If you're referring to my comment about level guaranteed suits of X-01, I did actually admit that I was wrong several posts back. I thought they were level guaranteed because the vast majority of people are able to find them once passing a certain level. That was my mistake.

maybe he got it out of storage from all their victories over the Enclave, maybe it is considers generated like the frames, or maybe Bethesda is lazy. Since nothing ever SAYS one way or the other we have to go by the lore we have which implies it came from the Enclave...that the BoS beat a decade ago

The Atom Cats have their own PAINT JOB as-well. Maybe they invented all the power armour?

I'm sure that the Institute themselves literally remark something about how they should have made their own power armour as one of those random things NPCs say to you when your wearing power armour. Either way, the Institute doesn't have their own suit of power armour and I doubt that the Enclave sub-contracted the work to a highly secret organisation on the other-side of the country to make a paint-scheme for them.

That would make even less sense than the Enclave sneaking into bases and distributing the suits themselves.

once again there is absolutely no info to support that and even in this game the Loading screen says that it was made by the US Army AFTER the Great War, there institute in case you were unaware have no association with the military. Even this game's poor lore adherence proves you wrong but you lack the ability to see for whatever absurd reason

And it's up to you to conclusively demonstrate that these suits were in fact in these locations prior to the war. I see no legitimate reason to find this hard to believe. It's been 200 years since the war. People move around. People establish strongholds. People leave their strongholds and die, never to be seen again. This is entirely reasonable.

The Atom Cats? That's a silly comparison. It's pretty well established within the game that they're just the "hot-rodders" of the power armor enthusiast world. They even make some comments along the lines of "fixing up this old power armor suit that we salvaged" and things like that.

As far as the Institute is concerned, I'm not trying to state this as fact by any means. I'm just speculating.

I stated that before your post was created, or we posted at same time or very recently to the point my message was acknowledged by your correction. Good work. Anyways, yes, it's randomized, the power armor comes upon the armor generator once the player hits lvl.35, and the player has a chance of seeing them in any location. Luck may or may not have something involving in the roll, but it all depends. Each time the player levels up, the % chance of finding a full suit of X-01 in any location increases dramatically, until the player is lvl.40-45, where the power armor just basically comes around like rain. the item generator for power armor is usually

lvl.15= T-51

lvl.25= T-60

lvl.35= X-01

how is the burden on me? We have plenty of info in F2 and F3 that tells us the Enclave made the armor, we have exactly NO evidence in F4 that says the armor was made before then and a randomly generated set of armor on a frame does not constitute evidence because it is RANDOM. The armor wasn't made 200 years ago, it was made after the Great War on the oil rig, which took a long time because the Enclave built it themselves. You still have not a single ember on your side and yet you persist in illogical belligerency.


All the available evidence is against your angle in every way, then again I should not expect madness to grow into understanding or logic, that would be folly on my part

I actually didn't see your comment until well after that. This is why I replied to comments that came after yours prior to responding to yours.

Because you're the one claiming that there's no way these could have been brought here after the bombs fell, and I'm yet to see any legitimate reason to believe that this is impossible. I'm not saying that they definitively WERE brought here after the bombs fell. I'm simply saying that there's no reason to conclusively decide that this absolutely can't be the case. I'm not making a claim, therefore I do not have a claim to prove. You are making a claim, which means the burden of proof is on you.

That's the gist of my argument. Comments that I made about the Enclave being dishonest about creating the X-01 were not presented as if they were "absolutely true". I was speculating about possibilities. The real core of my argument is that I do not see any legitimate reason to believe that it is impossible for these suits to have arrived in these locations after the bombs fell. If you see a solid reason to think that this is impossible, I'd really love to hear it.

Plenty of other comments similar to mine have been posted in this thread. They simply aren't commenting anymore.

In either case, I'm losing interest in this back and forth argument that's going nowhere. You guys need to relax. You're coming across as incredibly hostile over a damn video game.


Speaking of which, I'm gonna go play some Fallout 4 now. I think I'll take my X-01 out for a spin. I'll just have to decide which of my three sets to take out.

ive already listed many reasons! Locked up places containing PA are still stocked with ammo, meds, and other supplies that wasters take to survive therefore it is blatant that nobody has been there. Most PA out in the open have fusion cores still in them meaning by some crazy coincidence nobody has taken them yet (nobody would pass on that protection or at least the chance to make some caps selling it). We have not a single terminal entry, spoken rumour, or sighting of any evidence to show how or why it is in the commonwealth when we have tons of evidence that says it was made on the opposite side of the country.


Your incapability to even fathom this simple and constantly presented case is alarmingly indicative of willful belligerence or mental illness, either way you refuse logic

I think there is a simple explanation for the X-01 armor. As it has been stated it was created by the military after the war so that is canon. The X-01 suggests that it was an experimental type of armor pre-war, I.E. the version was in development before the bombs fell but in limited numbers maybe 1 or 2 suits had been assembled for testing and what ever was left after the fighting ended was able to piece together more suits from the extra parts that had been created for the program and work out the system bugs to start using it. It's not that the Enclave didn't make the advanced power armor but that they improved on an experimental system. This to me makes the most sense, you have two remnants of the military working along the same R&D line, one in secret and one just trying to survive.