This is why.

With those Skinny Jeans, they're actually being worn by Women being masculine... They are Trousers after all.

Now if you had said "Denim Skirt", then I'd have no complaint.

http://www.hermes-press.com/louis16france.jpg

* Caution: Link exudes testosterone

Seriously. As shown in the link, trends come and go. It's a never ending cycle.

Unless two guys really hate each other, a good fight is usually enough to clear any animosity between them. Then they can sit down, have a beer, and laugh the whole thing off. Seen it happen plenty of times. :shrug:

Freedom -> Pandora.

This thread is based entirely on outdated anglo-saxon stereotypes that do not hold true across other cultures, much less biology.

The reason for lack of responsibility? Lack of parents or lack of parental skills. The causal chain..

And in the topic subtitle you said "becoming increasingly feminine".

Does that mean that by "feminine" you mean being prone to being pushed around, leaving the family at the first sign of trouble, not standing up for yourself etc.?

I don't see how the qualities you describe are any less "feminine" than they are "manly".

A bunch of GIRLY men. Hans and Franz want to...pump....YOU up.




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I think it is the parents and many new social restrictions.

Personally, in my old school all the guys (with myself being the 1 exception) were extremely feminine, but when I am out in public, I don't really notice men being less manly. And I don't think women are getting any manlier to be honest,

Them's fightin' words, boah. ?_?

"Group think" might also contribute. If a change in behavior in some men are observed and not ridiculed or it is condoned in some way, others might follow suit, increasing the trend. So that is where acceptance comes in.

whoa, whoa, C-rowdy....my best friend...I wear skinny jeans...yet i listen to lil wayne and the gang...I also workout 5 times a week...

I'm deeply saddened that you refuse to dub me a fellow bro. man!

Cus society is accepting that you don't have to live by "gender" roles. I for one don't entirely support it but I accept it. There is still alot of "machismo" in the Mexican culture and I doubt that will change.

Win!

Connotations aside, I think Bad Man Jim is right that the "manly" male archetype of yesteryear is fading. I don't stack up anywhere close to either of my grandfathers. I mean, they worked all day and still found time for their families, they could fix anything, and they never left a job unfinished. It takes a lot of character to live like that, and I think that is lacking in modern society, myself included.

I don't think feminine is the opposite of that archetype, though. That would just be weird.

That is not the quality of manly . It is taking responsibly and taking care of your family. The sticking for yourself doesn't make you "manly" ether is just says hey I can't be messed with. Hell I can be a transgender person and still do the stuff you consider manly . Maybe you confused the word manly with responsibility.

Read "feminine" as "delicate". If a mod could change it to delicate, I'd appreciate it. I used the wrong word.

I'd also appreciate it if people would stop putting words in my mouth

Well, Im a crossdresser, but Im also a prison guard and I can kick ass with the best of em. I get what your asking though Jim because I also sometimes flip the other way into a hyper-masculine state that people seem to have even more of a problem with. I think that its just like you said, violence isnt acceptable anymore, and ideas about gender have changed.

That's quite likely.

Indeed, things are bound to change over time,

Anyway, when I first saw the topic title, I was going to say it's probably in a large part due to pop culture and fashion. The images that models, pop musicians, and such maintain might differ from what was seen as ideal in previous generations, and of course, people who grow up being exposed to this

However, since it seems to be a matter of gender roles rather than appearances that this topic is about, I would say that yes, it can be attributed to the changes of society, specifically values in regards to how either six should behave and their roles in society. In the past, different things were expected from men and women, and they had different roles in society, they would also recieve different treatments and women did not have the same oportunities as men, but this sort of thing would naturally change if society's values change, if society moves towards sixual equality, and compared to how things were a hundred years ago, it has certainly moved in that direction, at least in some parts of the world, it seems to me that with it, it would only be natural that what would be considered "acceptable" for men and women would also change. And just as more "feminine" men might become increasingly common, the same goes for women who don't fit the "traditional" expectations of their six, in fact, I might say that this is even more true for the female six, as traditional society usually put men in a more dominant role, and usually, movements aimed at gender equality seem to be focused around promoting women's rights, thus I would expect society's standards towards women to see the most change.

Of course, if by "manly" you mean "taking responsibility", then that's a whole other subject for discussion, and honestly, it's something that has nothing to do with gender roles. Whether male or female, people should fulfill their responsibilities, and this was expected of them in the past too, changing gender roles means the responsibilities either six is expected to fulfill change, but that doesn't change the fact that, when people have a responsibility placed on them, they're expected to fulfill them.

Haha, I mean, I've seen guys that are so skinny that skinny jeans aren't "skinny" on them. I'm talking about the guy who weighs 180+ and wears skinny jeans and he should not, because it looks like they are his little sisters.
Some guys can pull it off and look like normal human beings, others, not so much. And no insult intended to you, I know you're my a man.

You have a point, Selbeth, that's the most likely cause.

However I am definitely sick of having to constrain myself to the overly harsh rules of the more delicate society of today. In the old west if someone offended you, you could settle it right then and there, nowadays you get in a fight and you sent to jail and have a lawsuit on your hands. It's unnatural for a man (such as myself, anyway) to be prohibited in such a way.



This is exactly what I was trying to get at with this thread, I just couldn't put the right words to it. Thanks.

Things are changing. Men are going into nursing (women need the extra mucle in the trauma department) . Women are in law, military, construction; you have stay at home dads now... Must I go on?

This thread is hilarious. :rofl:
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Putting words in your mouth? Here's a recap:




Only concluding from what you say there without putting any words in your mouth (unless you call concluding "putting words in someone's mouth"), you're associating a lot of good qualities to the "manliness" and you think that abandoning "manliness" is a bad thing. I don't know if this means that you think the opposite of "manliness" (femininity) is a bad thing. But I know that I, for example, think that both men and women can and should be responsible, therefore it makes absolutely no sense to ascribe responsibility to manliness.