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Both of you shut the [censored] up and eat your manwiches. They're Rated M For Manly, and they'll give you acute Testosterone Poisoning.

On a serious note, I seriously need to learn how to cook. (Yes that sentence was somewhat redundant.)

Look, I think the possibility of effeminate men is the least of our worries right now. Society is going down the crapper, we got wars all over the place, governments all over are being as oppressive as they can be, Africa is still pretty much a dump, gas prices are rising, oil in the Gulf of Mexico, and countless other negative things going on Earth right now.

And there is always the chance we'll get blown up by a giant fart bubble! Let's pilot away from super-opinion orientated arguments like this one, and talk about more important things.

Label me and society whatever you'd like, but this an issue you are trying to rationalize and even accept.

So what is it that you see around you? Without being general. What have you observed with your senses? Do smell the lack of testosterone? Can you taste the estrogen in your energy drink? These are all specific details.

Because you're sickeningly sixist

Feminine, and responsible are two completely different, and in no way related, traits. You started off saying men are easier to bully now and talk about a Madmen-esque interpretation of the past with no merits. You then went on to say men are "meek" and society is 'obviously' more feminine now. Followed up by saying being manly means being "responsible" and has nothing to do with fighting. You then contradict yourself by saying you find society "delicate", IE 'feminine', and think its absurd that men aren't allowed to assault each other over an outdated sense of honor, or valor, or something like that. You're not making any consistent points.

You make even less sense with all this talk of the Old West, and how much 'better' it is because of the less strict laws of the time. You honestly think a time of rampant lawlessness was a better time for men and society in general? Men shooting each other in the streets over a petty disagreement is manly, and better to you? Or do you prefer the romanticized version of the the countless outlaws, left unchecked to pillage and rob? Our current society is in no way perfect, but going backwards is sure as hell not going to fix it.

Also, fighting might be something "natural" to humans, but is it really necessary in this day and age? What can be resolved by a fist fight, that can't be solved by an exchange of words?




I think you're referring to my post, which this straw man argument doesn't sate. Laws are a matter of fact, but how better or worse, or as you refer to it manly or feminine, a society is is not something that can be learned in a textbook. Saying that men were manlier and better in the '50's is not the same as saying laws were less strict in ancient Rome.

Acting "like a woman" doesn't make one more human than acting "like a man". Both are different aspects of the human species.

I've noticed the trend the OP is talking about. The "girlie man" beta-male has been pushed as the "proper role" for men for years now.

Eh, I think Bad Man Jim is a pretty cool guy.


Dude, you do know that's just Hollywood History, right?

Or do you actually believe what you see on the TV?

I like my energy drinks the way I like my women, extra estrogen. I think that's good. . .right? :hehe:

i agree that people now days are less likely to take responsibility for their actions and dont want to do hard work, but that is across the board with men and women. as for the topic of manliness (ie alpha male stereotype) in an evolutionary sense, it did serve a purpose as men like that tended to live longer and mate more often, however now days you dont have to run around punching everyone who offends you and try and have six with every woman you see to be a man, in fact i see people who are like that as morons.

OP, Is there anything you want to do to try and change the "situation"?

Sounds alright to me.

Huh, I just noticed you live in Germany....I think I understand now. And no, it's not about Nazis.

You sir, are on the road to recovery. You'll have been sober now for nearly 20 minutes!

My 6th grade daughter's VP called me one day and told me that the local bully assaulted her and my kid hit back in defense. She also informed me that my daughter beat the hell out of the school bully without receiving a bruise and asked me how she was such a good fighter(She had been taking Chinese Kenpo since she was 4).

For the rest of the year she walked the halls with no one messing with her. So, this realistically solved something.

And you mean to tell me that it never happened? Honor duels were common, hell we lost elected officials because of it. Also, you try and tell me a current US criminal that even comes close to being as infamous or successful as someone from the Wild Bunch Gang.

LOL germans.

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Cheers for not raising a "victim"

Of course not, but it was not nearly as overblown as Tomb Stone or the Magnificent Seven, despite being good films, would have you believe.

And I never said it was, hell, I've never even seen those movies. Don't make assumptions about people, because we all know what happens when you assume.

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Your name and post amuses me.

I guess for many reasons, I myself am more manly to the current "manly" men (not to brag but I got tough by having the most dangerous task on the planet, I worked at a convenient store graveyard shift on the "east side" of town and that is more stressing than the military) and I am sad to see that men fall over like dominoes.

Most men no longer make it a task to fix their own cars or mow their own lawns.

Maybe the most obvious reason men want to be "girly lady" like is because females have a longer life span than a normal man and they think being a girly lady man will add years to their life span.


This is sad but true. And yet "macho" women complain when a man wants to be a lady and stay home and watch soap operas and gossip and spies on neighbors.

Yep, this planet needs a purge.

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I think that's where the trouble is. While you might see the people around you possessing an alarming lack of personal responsibility, we haven't yet seen any evidence that hasn't been a problem since the dawn of time. Not only that, your own experiences might not serve as an accurate cross-section of the rest of humanity. (Who knows, you might just have the bad luck of being in a location and situation that's more saturated with this type of people than others.) And not only that, but all of this is by and large a subjective matter - who's to say that your own expectations aren't unrealistically skewed one way or the other?

I don't think you have a bad sentiment, but perhaps you're asking the wrong question? Perhaps a more appropriate one might be "Why do I run into so many people that don't live up to the degree of manliness and responsibility that I expect of them?" Whether this is a new situation, one that's been skewed by our perception of mass media, or if this has always been a long-standing problem with humanity as a whole might be a whole other can of worms entirely...

I think, to some extent, we have similar views on what a "man" should be, but toughness isn't necessary in my book; maturity and decisiveness is more important.


Again, being able to fight doesn't come across to me as necessary. If anything, backing away from a fight and standing your ground is more "manly" (in other words, mature) than fighting, which I see as more immature and reckless.


This part seems odd to me. How is this "feminine", and not just plain "lazy"? Women can easily hold their own like men can, and women can also wait for other people to do things for them. It's more about being independent, making your own decisions and executing your own actions. There isn't much about gender roles here (in my view, at least).

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i actually blame this on the parents.

parents today pay somebody to do this for them and do not teach the kids how to do it them self , my father taught me all of this when i was a child , my father had a rule in the house and still has it " If you can build it , fix it , paint it or move it then you have to do it " of course my mother oppose for me to do this stuff on a early age but my dad didn't care and i thank him for that .