Reading you people argue makes my head want to explode. :ahhh: :bonk: :brokencomputer:

Yes, Nirn isn't Earth. However, in Fantasy and Sci-Fi Literature, Earth and its properties are used as a template to give the reader (or in this case video game player) a way to comprehend and interpret the world. With this template, the author (or video game maker) then modifies specific details (history, races, magic, etc.) in order to create an interesting and enjoyable story and setting. If something unnatural by our standards isn't explicitly intended or stated to be lore, then it isn't lore. Running 60 MPH isn't intended as lore. It's not like the writing teams at Bethesda had a meeting where they decided "Well, in Nirn the 10 races have ultra-super running abilities and can outrun horses, deer, bears, mountain lions, and anything else, all while wearing 100 pounds of armor!". The reason the absurd running and jumping is in the game is because the gameplay was designed that way, not because the lore writers thought that 70 year old bretons in steel armor can naturally leap 50 yards and sprint 60 MPH for days without a break.

Yes, some of you have brought up books in the lore that talk about running and jumping. Yes, people in Nirn do indeed have better athletic skills than on Earth, but some of you are conflating that to mean running twice the speed of a horse is perfectly normal in Nirn, which is absurd. Saying gameplay mechanics count as lore is silly. If gameplay mechanics count as lore, then Star Wars lore says that Lightsabers don't kill people with one slice and Jedi can be shot 50 times in the chest because that is what happened in The Force Unleashed.

Just my thoughts anyways. :teehee:

Jumping felt really off in Oblivion and at times it did feel like I was on the moon lol.



I guess one way to fix it is just make everyone jump the same, since everyone uses it.

It definently isn't, its also fictional, the Sun is a hole in existence. continents are destroyed by swords and the very fabric of the planet is held in place by towers, to contend anything is absurd in Nirn is to be Absurd.

That would be a terrible way to fix it and would break lore.

It would break lore? Or just your conceptions of what gameplay should be?

Yep. Not to mention limit gameplay variety.

This. An enchanted ring giving you a permanent Jump +20 (the type you could make in Morrowind), would solve a lot.

After ob they saw what people did mod wise and how people reacted to each skill... and we know what they thought and what they did about it.

People hate these 2 skills its as simple as that. I am one of those people.

poor example almost trollish even, those skills have been around even in morrowind, and Daggerfall. where are the haters.




Khajiit and Woodevles Jump High.


Khajiit and woodelves most certainly would jump higher than a normal orc or nord.

Its even insinuated that Woodeleves and Khajiit naturally are light on their feet.


if everyone jumped at the same height, how does that not count as breaking lore.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree then. :laugh:

Those things you mentioned are specific instances where the writers tweaked the "earth template" that I mentioned in order to make Nirn interesting. Like I said, 99% of fiction takes the "earth template" and modifies it in specific instances. If the writers establish something as lore, then I accept it as an alteration of that template. But in all areas that are left blank by the writers, it is safe to assume it operates under more or less Earth standards. If it is intended lore, than I agree that it isn't absurd. But if something is in the game that is there only because of gameplay mechanics and deviates extremely from standard Nirn behavior, then it is absurd. Running 60 MPH is one of these absurdities, in my opinion.

How does gameplay approximations of the lore break lore?
No one on in-game Tamriel defacates; they don't even have restroom facilities. Yet I think it's safe to say they digest and produce excrement. Is the lack of in-game bathrooms breaking lore?
Cyrodiil had invisible walls around its borders that couldn't be circumvented in-game by any means. Yet obviously people can enter and leave Cyrodiil. Are the gameplay borders breaking lore?

If the gameplay approximation of the world and its lore chooses to omit things, or approximate things in a certain way such as having everyone jump the same height, it's not a commentary on the universe the game is trying to convey. It's the game being a game, focusing on a limited number of things either by techincal limitations, or by a chosen design decision.

I'm sad that acrobatics and athletics are gone. While I'm optimistic about the new system and how it'll handle running speed and jumping height, I still wish they hadn't cut them.
But even if everyone jumped the same in the gameplay of Skyrim, even if everyone ran the same in the gameplay of Skyrim, there's no way I can see that as a commentary that everyone in the non-gameplay-world of Skyrim runs and jumps the same.

Again, learn about Nirn. Youll soon find out that its almost nothing like Earth.


Because its not just in the game mechanics, its in the books and in game lore. Its talked about and practiced in the games. So yes, it would break lore to make them all the same, or put Earthly limitations on Nirns peeps.

GAH.

Closed for review. Because several of you are having a teeth-grindingly nitpicking argument about game reality/game mythos/canon... about acrobatics? Really?