No, thats not the same thing at all.

They never did. Once you got yer 100 Speed, Athletics, and Acrobatics, a Nord ran and jumped like the best Bosmer.

They ran faster actually, because height was a factor in run speed.

Why do people assume there will be a perk for speed? It's been confirmed for months now that perks are based off skills...

And they took out Acrobatics and Athletics...

So where does that "perk" fall into?

They said that Birthsigns were converted into the perk system. The whole stars and what not. There happens to be a constilation of a horse, so it isn't to far a of a stretch to think that there will be a constilation that deals with stamina, speed, and carrying weight.

The word acrobat doesn't work to the argument as it doesn't say it have to be a skill, it's a word to describe someone that can do amazing physical feats. It's just a word. That aside that wasn't the main point, the main point was the feats that were unrealistic, which wasn't proven. He jumped down off a cliff because there was nowhere else to go, that's far from a feat that is constantly done by skilled acrobats, it was his only way out and he managed not to get killed. As for the jumping across the trees and jumping into the water from the cliff, those weren't normal people you can play, they were beastly Khajiiti creatures. They can climb and tree with their claws and jump from limb to limb with their nimbleness of a cat. I mean, they were confused for werewolves, so obviously they were fearsomely strong and agile. These are hardly evidence that anyone can do amazing things like jumping really high or running really fast, this is just evidence that a guy had to jump off a cliff and survived a hundred foot fall and that beastly Khajiit can climb trees and that the word "acrobat" exists in Tamriel.

yeah it is... it's all about getting around. If there was no moon jumping in oblivion, then ledges that are seeminlgy possible to reach, wouldn't be reachable (which would make me mad). Moon jumping compensates for that. If there was ledge climbing, we don't need moon jumping.

Well, Ive seen you declare canon not canon, Ive seen you argue removed skills werent and now youre saying that acrobatics isnt acrobatics.
As long as you push your point across you seem willing to warp everything.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Realizations_of_Acrobacy

It is an undeniable fact that superhuman feats of acrobatics and athletics are a part of the canon of TES.
Unless of course you argue that acrobatics isnt acrobatics. But why stop there? Lets declare Tamriel not Tamriel.
After all, only a few unreliable sources have ever named it thus. I hereby put forward that it is in fact lower Kensington, England.

Hence anyone can become anything in TES. Which will most likley still be in Skyrim. An Orc Mage, a Breton Tank etc.

LOL, no its not. What does jumping or dodging an enemy have to do with ledges? Or jumping from roof to roof? Obviously 'jumping to ledges' couldnt replace the variety that acrobatic abilities have.

Well, Ive seen you declare canon not canon, Ive seen you argue removed skills werent and now youre saying that acrobatics isnt acrobatics.
As long as you push your point across you seem willing to warp everything.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Realizations_of_Acrobacy

It is an undeniable fact that superhuman feats of acrobatics and athletics are a part of the canon of TES.
Unless of course you argue that acrobatics isnt acrobatics. But why stop there? Lets declare Tamriel not Tamriel.
After all, only a few unreliable sources have ever named it thus. I hereby put forward that it is in fact lower Kensington, England.

I never said there shouldn't be dodging... very likely that could be a stealth perk.

and jumping from roof to roof... it would. if you jump "realistically" from one roof to the next, then you'd be able to grab on to the ledge of the roof you are jumping too and pull yourself up instead. It'd still be just as possible.

Just because you didnt play that way or this way, didnt mean we didnt.

Basically all Im hearing is, "I didnt play X way, so I dont want it in for anybody".

:facepalm: Again, Realistic for Nirn is not Earth realism. How many ways can I put this?

Well, Ive seen you declare canon not canon, Ive seen you argue removed skills werent and now youre saying that acrobatics isnt acrobatics.
As long as you push your point across you seem willing to warp everything.

Some people don't want quality over quantity. They just want more, and they never want anything cut or changed, regardless of how well it worked or was implemented. And they equate this to being complex or adding complexity, when really it's just adding mediocrity.

Basically all I'm hearing is "I like the way this was, so i don't think it can be changed for the better"

and yeah... i played with moon-jumps (hard not to), i utilized it too to the fullest extent. I just think it can be better.


going back to that one... alright. There's a reason i put realistically in quotes (realistically, by earths standards)... obviously you just wanted to use your favorite expression :facepalm:

/argument.

And all these statements are false. I've declared things that aren't canon to not be canon because they are in the "obscure texts" section that explicitly says on their own site that it's not actual lore...

I said removed skills weren't needed, such as swimming or languages and now I'm saying that the lore didn't say acrobatics was a skill because the lore doesn't outline skills that must be in a game, not sure why you guys always go off in some wild tangent and seeing me say things that I never said. Gets old hearing you claim I did something when I in no way did.

OT, no skill has the right to stay just because it was in a previous game. Keeping features just because they existed before even if it there is a better way to do it isn't the right way to do it.

Leonine said:


Some people don't want quality over quantity. They just want more, and they never want anything cut or changed, regardless of how well it worked or was implemented. And they equate this to being complex or adding complexity, when really it's just adding mediocrity.

Removing somthing that is lore friendly is not change for the better.

It does if the thing being removed is completely useless and the same thing can be accomplished with an easier "Interface" if you will.

We are talking about removal of that ability, not removal of the skill. The ability was far from useless.

The ability will likely still be there in the form of perks.. And if it isn't I can't think of a single thing more useless than athletics and acrobatics in the game so TO ME it doesn't matter anyway.

Removing somthing that is lore friendly is not change for the better.

Lore = History

So then you admit that it is realistic for Nirn.

What, moon-jumping? just because it was in a book, doesn't make it history... if that's what you mean. otherwise, Professor Lindenbock and crew would of have had to traveled to the center of the Earth in the 19th century.

Journey to the Center of the Earth =/= History or Realism