Why is violence fine in games but six is frowned upon

Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:35 am

Literally need a "Explain like I am Five"

Why is it fine to have games with immense violence and gore. Killing hundreds of people but as soon as a little boob appears media and SJW's have a hissy fit and start to burn the internet.

I am also curious as to drug use.

In Fallout 3 Mex X was originally called Morphine but was rejected by the Australian Classification Board due to the naming of a real world drug. Subsequently the edited name was changed for the world release not just the Australia release but why?

What is the difference? How has a line been drawn somewhere that says literally blowing someones head of and decapitation is fine but calling a drug Morphine "oh my god censor the whole game you can't release that here you lunatics"

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:13 am

because, six is something that traditionalists believe should be kept in private, between two people who love each other. not something that one should publicly flaunt..

violence however is something else entirely, considering some of the most respectable professions (Soldier, or law enforcement agent) rely on it to such a degree that you can't really turn as much of a blind eye to it..



that, and of course, "But think of the Children!".. you can't deny to your kid the purpose of a sword or gun, but if you don't tell them what their reproductive organs are actually for, they can go a rather long time before figuring it out




EDIT: as for the drug part of your question, some people are afraid that, by having an item in game named after a real world narcotic that provides some kind of in-game boost, it will make people more likely to try said narcotic out of a sense of curiosity

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Post » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:17 pm

I got this one finally someone I can talk too on MY level (5 year old lingo that is)

Easy answer:

Because that's the way it is kid! One day when you get older you will realize just how hypocritical the whole human race is. Including you, in fact sometimes thats pretty much all we have in common.

Hehe

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:54 am

In these kind of matters there's a lot of hypocrisy, ignorance, politics, and fear in the arena. The bipolar morality of lawmakers including many parents, want to filter certain things which they think are immoral and evil. These lawmakers and parents who have a dozen skeletons in their closets want to tell us what is right and wrong. I heard in Germany, there's a stupid ass law that in video games you can shoot someone's brains out for example, yet it's prohibited to have any interaction with the body, in other words, you can't move the corpse even one millimeter because apparently that's considered graphic.

Indeed, I'm all in favor of protecting the children, and I believe this IS one of the main reasons why these laws exist, but these clowns who are the arbiters of decency are grabbing the bull's horn from the wrong side, often missing it completely. They certainly haven't done much to protect the children. Here in America sixual repression and perversion are blurred and served on a plate to the masses.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:40 am

Even then, there are those who will flip all the tables at violent games and want to ban them. They always have an excuse, chiefly that it'll teach young gamers that violence is OK in the real world and/or will make them want to pork half their town because they watched two characters grinding on each other in a tent.

Look, people are just hypocritical. These are probably the same people who don't mind gratuitous six and violence in the movies and TV shows.
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Post » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:32 pm

It's an American thing. Here in Europe we are more tolerant of six than violence. Some cultural thing from history, i suppose :shrug:
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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:22 am

I do seem to remember that India may have had a problem with Brahmin for one of the games. (need to look it up but I think they completely nixed 3 there)

So its not just drugs violence and six... cultural differences to boot. Some places are pretty rough on what you can say or show.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:05 am

Not a prude here...

Because I want a simple depiction of violence which games offer with their conflict base gameplay. There is a necessity to it, for gameplay purposes. Unimaginative sure, but that's the trend these days.

Depiction of six on the other hand is just some embarrassing display of edgy polygons with nothing to do with gameplay, not that I want it to be about gameplay.

Maybe in the future.

PS. That's my personal opinion on it, [censored] the censorship otherwise.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:37 am

I'm european, I like violence in games, I've got nothing against six in games. Im easy going like that.

Reproduction is what got us all here as a species, without it nothing would exist.

To me it's being honest about what we are. Animals with basic needs. No point in denying it or lying about it.

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Post » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:35 pm

Violence in video games is cartoonish at best. As for six I dont have an actual anwser to this just my opinion. my guess is six is more Intimate and well I live in america and our ancestors were puritans sooooooo.
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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:31 am

That's us degenerate Europeans, alright!

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:06 am

As an American who shares this point of view, it's not that rare, particularly among the younger population.

My exact opinion is that most things in video games are fine as long as they're done right for the setting; having six in a call of duty game doesn't make much sense, but in a fallout game it might. I also think it should be done right though, which to me means portraying it realistically. Cartoony violence isn't something I'm big on (though I can understand why Red Orchestra 2, A.K.A. PTSD Simulator's violence might be too real for some people), and I think things like New Vegas's porm moans are ridiculous too. :shrug:

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:42 am

Yeah, you need to specify a region/culture to have this discussion, since it's a bit different in each area. America has a strong "prude"/Puritan trend (see: Super Bowl kerfluffle over Janet Jackson's nipble :bonk: ), whereas violence isn't as stigmatized. I wonder how much that has to do with our relatively "recent" history (carving a country out of a colonized wilderness, Cowboys & Indians, Prohibition mobsters & moonshiners, Bonnie & Clyde, etc) compared to "older" continents. :shrug:)

Although you can always find Won't Someone Think Of The Children folks who'll happily complain about both. And that satanic rock music, etc. The 90's was pretty good for that silliness.

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It's interesting to see what gets more censored/looked badly at, by culture. German games removing violence, Australia's restrictions, US vs Europe, the kinds of things that do & don't work in Japan :tongue:..... China has some interesting ones. I seem to recall something about WoW's Chinese versions being different because exposed bones is a bad thing (maybe something to do with ancestors/etc?) - so all the undead had to be reworked.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:02 am

Interesting that you brought up cultural differences. Every culture has its own particular set of taboos and 'do-not-do's of life. We Yanks are OK with violence yet an exposed nipble appears and you'd think World War 3 just started. Conversely, in Japan, they'll have their fictional ladies flaunting their parts left, right, and center, gratuitous violence yet they removed 'The Power of Atom' from their edition of Fallout 3. Germany has the 'No Nazis!' thing and, as you've stated, the Chinese have the 'no exposed bones!' thing.

In American culture, we're prude because let's be honest, the first settlers on the land that would become America were Puritans who were all "ERUGH UGH NOOOOO!!" about nudity. It was discouraged to flaunt the goodies in public, it was taught that to do so was sinful, corrupt. Impure. It was this mindset that carried to this day. If Red Dead Redemption had a six scene between Bonnie McFarlane and John Marston, and we saw it in detail, I would imagine there'd be a [censored]stsorm about that. In the same game where you invade a bandit stronghold and destroy everyone with a Gatling gun and can laugh as you shoot bandits off cliffs or hogtie them and put them on the train tracks. Or take games like Saints Row where you can be a vicious psychopath rampaging throughout Stilwater/Steelport raining death and destruction everywhere yet if you make your character completely nvde, the 'crown jewels' are blurred out.

So perhaps there is some level of cultural differences entwined to this debate. What may be just fine for one country/collection of country is a big ass OH HELL NO!! to another country/collection of countries. Some taboos are understandable (ie, the Nazi thing for Germany and any references to atomic bombs for Japan), and others are...well...kind of silly. Like us Americans with our still-ongoing Puritan outlooks on nudity and six. :tongue:

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:51 am


Violence and six aren't even on the same playing field. How can we even compare the two?

It's like comparing Skyrim to Forza.
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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:18 am

Everyone has their favorite hang-ups. :) In american, it's six.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:20 am

six disrupts the status quo; violence can be used to preserve the status quo. Violence is tolerated by most cultures because it can be used to enforce laws. six is feared by most cultures precisely because it is so hard to control. six is often unpredictable, disruptive, chaotic. If citizens gave into their sixual impulses economies would collapse, the state would cease to function. Therefore the sixual impulse needs to be restrained. But violence can be used to preserve the state, so it is more likely to be tolerated.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:33 am

I don't have issue with either.

Do these companies/countries/etc not realize by making these things "taboo", you just make it that much more desirable?

Why did I start drinking and having six at an early age? Because it was "taboo"!

The bigger the stink people make, the more publicity it gets...aren't they trying to "take it out of the picture" rather than "framing it and hanging it high for all to see"?

Much ado about nothing.

Live life people. You only get one. Enjoy it.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:12 am

In Australia they have alot less of a problem with the six and more of the violence, this is more of a U.S. thing. Plus the whole Australian censorship board thing is a myth, for starters the Australian censorship board, has never had the power to tell the whole world to change the names in a game, in our country yes, this is a myth, otherwise every country would have different names, it was a choice made by Bethesda to rename the drugs, U.S. companies dont see us as a big enough market to make wide ranging changes worldwide, by the decisions of one government agency.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:40 am

And in Europe, it's America. :P

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:24 am

That's easy---don't buy them the game :P. One thing I like about the ESRB ratings is that you know: E is going to be kid friendly, Teens can be a mix of light advlt situations but still kinda kid friendly and M you know that's a game aimed for grown ups only.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:13 am

Ah, but for self-righteous moralizer types, "games" are a kids' thing. So "game with six" = "corrupting the kiddies". Whee! :tongue:

(http://www.dailytech.com/Fox+News+Recklessly+Misrepresents+six+Facts+in+Mass+Effect/article10455.htm over Mass Effect 1 being called, effectively, interactive porm? :ermm: )

Of course, the ESRB ratings were put in by the industry, to keep the Morality crowd from pushing legislation through and making it a state-sactioned system.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:40 am

I never payed that much attention to it :D.

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Post » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:44 pm

Someone should tell them they don't need to spend £40 on a game to watch porm.

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Post » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:56 am

Because we been taught for two thousand years that six is extremely sinful.
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