Why would obtaining a quest bother someone? Just don't do the quest. So what if you have quests in your quest log that aren't going to be completed. The only thing that makes this a problem is your OCD.

Try speaking to the Inkeeper in Riften. There are several people who can point you towards Esbern, apart from the Theves guild guy. Also, you can complete that quest by dropping the ring and saying you lost It. There are several ways of completing almost every quest.



"I've heard about you and your honeyed words!" is due to your elocuence. It may be bugged (I get "The gods gave you two hands and you use them both for your weapon. I can respect that" and I've never used a two hander).

I get "The gods gave you two hands and you use both for your weapon. I can respect that." with a two-handed skill of only 30. On that character, I'm a dual-wielder, I just assumed it was because I was holding two weapons (or had taken Dual Flurry).

"I'm angry that I am required to use my own brain and stray outside the path specified by the mission to find alternative completion methods"...All I'm really hearing from the "forces me to do this quest" complaints.

1. Don't do Boethiah's quest.

2. Sacrifice someone evil; you won't be hurting anyone good. Why? Because you'll be sacrificing an evil person to an evil god.

3. Winterhold college; just tell them you're Dragonborn and shout.

4. Thieves Guild; steal the ring and drop it. You can then tell Brinjolf that you lost the ring and he will let you in. You can even drop it right next to the Argonian's stand so you can roleplay that he will notice it and will thus, still be in his possession.

5. Thieves Guild: like someone else said, talk to the innkeeper.

Yet, this game supposedly only gives you one choice. Of course, this is true if you only follow the quest marker and resort to YouTube instead of looking at the Dragon Claws to figure out the puzzles (ie using common sense and exploring instead of neglecting your brain).

I use sword and board, so nope. As a warrior, I'm also usually referenced as a"sneaky thief". Guard's commentaries are bugged, including those who talk of the Harbringer as "the new guy"

Are you really complaining about that?

If you are well then I have to use my shout on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7QZPw04Ks

I'd like an abandon quest option (just for ending journal bloat) too.

I don't know the exact value, but they DO say it when your Speech skill is increased(even the wiki's say so), as Grimtide also pointed, they say the "don't think you can barter with me" thing too. Anyway, when was having a silver tongue an evil thing? But we are going off topic...

I dont think you are familiar with the quest we are talking about...

I dont wanna spoil, so:



Now im told I was wrong about the honeyed words thing. Guess its a glitch in my game, cause my speech is abysmal. But still, it remains an extremely strange and illogical direction to take in the quest script. Especially seeing as how it gives you absolutely no option whatsoever It seems to me that in the end, this is what Skyrim is missing desperatly. Its not a matter of combat, and the balance could be better (game becomes rather unchallenging from the mid 30s, even as a non-crafter toon on master), but what I really miss is actually being able to roleplay. Instead I feel like im on rails, and my only real freedom is to choose to jump off the train altogether. I spend more time thinking up funky justifications for out-of-character actions the game forces me to commit then I do thinking up how my guy reacts and who he is.

Cause, you know... i cant actually choose how to react, i can just choose wether to react or not.

Why would there be something like that? You're not supposed to pick It up again, this is no MMO. I must admit, though, that the new quest journal is hideous, and miss the directions instead of a quest marker.

Except that gun will remain on your door step unless you use it. I bet stepping over it everyday would get old pretty fast.

It's true, you can choose to ignore it, but I understand what OP is saying. Not being able to cancel a quest (even going out of your way to [censored] it up) creates clutter and it's just annoying. It's no different than having a broken quest (return to jarl of riften) or being forced to carry around 5 amulets of Talos.

I've done 4 daedric quests so far and they all appeared to have an out...according to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Boethiah%27s_Calling, Boethiah's Calling doesn't.

So, the 6th day you saw the gun you would shoot someone? It still doesen't make sense.

Fully agree, actually. For every quest, there should always be a "No, [censored] you." option. I've come across a few dialogue moments where the response that seems simple, logical, and appropriate, wasn't even available.

I believe what he is saying is that its just annoying and in the way. He is saying those are quality-of-life issues, as in they clutter the interface with stuff you will never use/look at.

As in: there is a gun on your doorstep. You never will use it. Why leave it in the way? Why spend the effort of stepping over it every morning instead of just kicking the damn thing away?

Aka: i think he is saying there should be a way to remove them from the quest log (kinda like abandoning them), just for QoL reasons

one way or another, thats not a biggie imo.

So you joined the Thieves' Guild and the College of Winterhold and the Companions, and you committed murder on the orders of an 11-year-old, all because the quest log told you to, and it's one little Daedric shrine that you finally choose to complain about?

Man up and stop doing the quests you don't want to do.

Also:
Buy Zombra? brand panty shields.

Either a way to abandon it, or better yet alternative ways to remove the quest in game would be good. For rp I can understand not wanting to do certain things, but wouldn't it be better if there were alternative options? It adds to replay value for one, and it doesn't remove content, rather there is thus alternative content. I don't see why asking for more ways to complete quests is a bad thing from an rp standpoint.

Then you gonna love the Molag Bal quest... it's totally gonna be forced on you and you won't be able to do [censored] ~^

I found amusing how ridiculous are some of the people in this forum. The game is broken, has a glitch, or a program limit and is the customer that complain that is guilt of let that bother him.

"How dare you, dear customer, to complain about a bad configuration on your journal!! Just because the system don't follow the Dragon Age system for example, where you CAN DELETE A QUEST FROM YOUR JOURNAL that doesn't mean its your right to complain!!! Live with that!!!"

Some time i ask why i bother myself in read this nonsense. Maybe i like a good comedy !

Dear OP, please understand that these are Skyrim forums and you are not allowed to talk against Skyrim no matter how right you are since all the fan-boys/girls will simply swarm you.
Skyrim has molested you and killed your mother?
Pffft... it's your fault for not ignoring it and RPing that it didn't happen!

On a more serious note, OP has a point.
Skyrim is actually very poor when it comes to making choices.
This is a clear flaw and everyone who says otherwise is just being a fan-boy/girl.

Also, I really don't think that Bethesda will be bothered to fix this, but I do hope that they will at least add a quest bin like I suggested in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1301874-make-things-more-tidy-easier-way-to-poison-weapons/page__p__19597401__fromsearch__1#entry19597401 thread.

Well frankly I did not even know there were evil companions. I have not met a single one of them, and I have over 120 hours logged (on 2 different characters). Ive seen neutral ones (mercs), and different kind of good ones, from the calm peacefull to the fierce fighter. No one I could call mean tho, let alone evil o.O

Hell, I even hired the merc once to sacrifice him (figured its just a sellsword, who cares ), but the first time I clicked on him he goes something like "your friendship means a lot to me" and I thought "oh are you fking kidding me?!?". I felt bad so I let him go

P.S. you can stop putting spoiler signs, the thread was moved to Cheats, Hints and Spoilers.

I'll put this as nicely as I can. Your mental deficiencies forced you to do the quest, not the game.

The funny things is of course that your guy is trying to be all noble and kill those evil guys but instead you're actually proving yourself to be a worthy candidate.


Again, you proved yourself to be a worthy candidate by your actions which you thought would cause anger but instead caused interest. You would've known that if you had read the in game book that is one way of starting this quest but since you just happened upon them and with good intentions thought you'd do a good deed.


Well, you have to look at it realistically though.I'm sure just about everyone who has played has had several encounters where they'd like there to be more different options. So to please everyone in every encounter the number of options would have to be humongous.




Personally I don't think the fact that people complain about a game is ridiculous. It's more what they chose to complain about that make me reply. Someone complaining about actual bugs (not things they name as bugs because they may think it's silly) is one thing that I agree with completely.
Threads like this when someone says the game forces them to do a quest just because it's in the log book is for me basically the same as saying a thread here forces me to read and reply to it.

You are never forced to join the college or thieves guild.

There is only a couple, but they more than deserve it. Of course, the one in the Namira quest requires you to basically kill a priest for them; thats when you can have her as a companion. Basically, you do an evil deed to do a good deed. I basically just got Namira's boon, which unlocked the Oblivion Walker achievement for me, reloaded, brought the priest back in, and then killed everyone but the priest (why kill one evil person when you can get the whole group?).

Molag Bal's quest gives you nothing but "Yes or no"; but it is literally an evil god trying to get revenge on his evil goddess rival. "Yes" helps Molag, "No" helps his rival.

I still like to avoid spoilers if I can, just in case lol.

I know what you mean about the companions; I didn't feel that way towards Skyrim's, though. I always felt bad about a few of the ones in New Vegas, though lol.