Why was Mankar Camoran chosen by Dagon?

Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:26 am

Why was Mankar given the secret knowledge by Dagon to write The Comentaries and what does the Mysterium Xarxes really mean? Does anyone know?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:01 am

Why was Mankar given the secret knowledge by Dagon to write The Comentaries?

To make it unsecret knowledge.
what does the Mysterium Xarxes really mean? Does anyone know?

There's a doomsday mechanism, built into Nirn. Xarxes scried the Aurbis and left his observations in the MX. All Magnus' architecture is apparent.

Making it a book was really lame, though. To reveal the Xarxes, one is required to meditate deeply, on the Spirit of Nirn's progress of revolt and pain-of-loss. Ask any of the Mythic Dawn's yogins, before they teleport away. They hang out at route 13. Few have seen the Xarxes, but these are lawfully obligated to share their commentaries, with any questing soul. Make it a field trip.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:36 am

Or if you're Mankar Camoran, http://blog.tiffanywan.com/__oneclick_uploads/2009/01/hallucination_ping-pong-ball.jpg works just as well.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:57 am

Why was Mankar given the secret knowledge by Dagon to write The Comentaries and what does the Mysterium Xarxes really mean? Does anyone know?

Because, I think, he was already an educated man with a complex because of his father, the Camoran Usurper. Therefore by giving him just the right suggestions even someone as single-minded and simple as Dagon could have manipulated him into doing his bidding by promising the god-like power such a person would believe they deserved.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:55 am

To make it unsecret knowledge.

There's a doomsday mechanism, built into Nirn. Xarxes scried the Aurbis and left his observations in the MX. All Magnus' architecture is apparent.

Making it a book was really lame, though. To reveal the Xarxes, one is required to meditate deeply, on the Spirit of Nirn's progress of revolt and pain-of-loss. Ask any of the Mythic Dawn's yogins, before they teleport away. They hang out at route 13. Few have seen the Xarxes, but these are lawfully obligated to share their commentaries, with any questing soul. Make it a field trip.


But what's the reason he chose Mankar?

Also what was Mankar's goal in all of this, and what did he hope to achieve by bringing Dagon to Nirn?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:16 am

Mankar didn't write the Mysterium Xarxes :rolleyes:... Xarxes did.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:31 am

Mankar didn't write the Mysterium Xarxes :rolleyes:... Xarxes did.


Yeah, but he wrote The Comentaries. Where did I say he wrote the Mysterium Xarxes?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:09 pm

Sorry, misread your original post.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:38 am

Camoran's parents paid off Dagon to choose him.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:09 am

I've always viewed him as a self-made man. He wasn't as much chosen as he chose himself, twisting events and prophesy until he attained power and was granted an audience of sorts with Dagon. I think the commentaries could have been written by anyone with a sufficient education and enough fanaticism.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:29 pm

Lady Nerevar is right. I've got to say Mankar wasn't chosen, he was just a huge fanatic.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:27 pm

What was Mankar going to gain out of having Dagon destroy Mundus?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:50 am

What was Mankar going to gain out of having Dagon destroy Mundus?


Immortality and the realm of Paradise.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:11 am

What was Mankar going to gain out of having Dagon destroy Mundus?

By having Mehrunes Dagon became the kind Leaper Demon King again by destroying Mundus, which will also free the mer from the oppression of Mundus so they can go back to the Dawn. The general altmer population also carry with them a version of this belief, in that Mundus is nothing more than a prison Shor/Lorkhan/Shezzar created in order to weaken everyone. What the altmer have been doing for the past 5000ish years is to reverse this by extreme selective breeding (they need to be as god-like as possible), and a strong desire to go back, so they can be the "awesome kick ass gods" they were before. The exception to this is the dunmer, and Vivec even has written that he sides with Shor's intent to make it so that mortals can ascend higher than the gods.

(most) Men, on the other hand, view Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan has a savior. His creation of Mundus was an act of divine mercy, so that the mortals are free of predictability, and pretty much what Vivec said. The exception is the redguard, whose views are merish (Mundus = prison), but do not view Akatosh and Shor in a good light (the both are devouring serpents with an insatiable hunger).
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:15 am

By having Mehrunes Dagon became the kind Leaper Demon King again by destroying Mundus, which will also free the mer from the oppression of Mundus so they can go back to the Dawn. The general altmer population also carry with them a version of this belief, in that Mundus is nothing more than a prison Shor/Lorkhan/Shezzar created in order to weaken everyone. What the altmer have been doing for the past 5000ish years is to reverse this by extreme selective breeding (they need to be as god-like as possible), and a strong desire to go back, so they can be the "awesome kick ass gods" they were before. The exception to this is the dunmer, and Vivec even has written that he sides with Shor's intent to make it so that mortals can ascend higher than the gods.

(most) Men, on the other hand, view Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan has a savior. His creation of Mundus was an act of divine mercy, so that the mortals are free of predictability, and pretty much what Vivec said. The exception is the redguard, whose views are merish (Mundus = prison), but do not view Akatosh and Shor in a good light (the both are devouring serpents with an insatiable hunger).

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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:50 am

By having Mehrunes Dagon became the kind Leaper Demon King again by destroying Mundus, which will also free the mer from the oppression of Mundus so they can go back to the Dawn. The general altmer population also carry with them a version of this belief, in that Mundus is nothing more than a prison Shor/Lorkhan/Shezzar created in order to weaken everyone. What the altmer have been doing for the past 5000ish years is to reverse this by extreme selective breeding (they need to be as god-like as possible), and a strong desire to go back, so they can be the "awesome kick ass gods" they were before. The exception to this is the dunmer, and Vivec even has written that he sides with Shor's intent to make it so that mortals can ascend higher than the gods.

(most) Men, on the other hand, view Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan has a savior. His creation of Mundus was an act of divine mercy, so that the mortals are free of predictability, and pretty much what Vivec said. The exception is the redguard, whose views are merish (Mundus = prison), but do not view Akatosh and Shor in a good light (the both are devouring serpents with an insatiable hunger).


Shouldn't Mankar hate Lorkhan then?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:27 am

Shouldn't Mankar hate Lorkhan then?

I think his point was, Mundus is really Shor's realm, but the other gods usurped that, and wants Mehrunes Dagon to claim his birthright.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:54 am

Mankar didn't write the Mysterium Xarxes :rolleyes:... Xarxes did.


No. Mehrunes Dagon wrote the Mysterium. Xarxes wrote the Oghma Infium.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:21 am

No. Mehrunes Dagon wrote the Mysterium. Xarxes wrote the Oghma Infium.

You know, referring to yourself in the 3rd person is very conceited of you.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:35 pm

I remember reading on the UESP, Xarxes wrote both.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:27 am

I remember reading on the UESP, Xarxes wrote both.

There's your problem. Always check TIL, the UESP can be edited by anybody and lore can be inaccurate. TIL can only be edited by those who flawlessly know lore.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:44 am

TIL can only be edited by those who flawlessly know lore.

Don't stick your nose up there too far.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:38 pm

Don't stick your nose up there too far.

I'm just saying that the staff chooses who can edit it, and the staff only chooses those who pretty much know TES' history better than Earth's.
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:52 am

No. Mehrunes Dagon wrote the Mysterium. Xarxes wrote the Oghma Infium.


I thought Hermaeus Mora wrote the Oghma Infium - Xarxes just gave her the information he needed?
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Post » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:59 am

I think his point was, Mundus is really Shor's realm, but the other gods usurped that, and wants Mehrunes Dagon to claim his birthright.


If Mundus is Shor's daedric realm (which to me sounds like a reasonable hypothesis), how could it possibly be Mehrunes Dagon's birthright?
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