http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Ww7XITAHg (excuse the quality)

I mean really? Drop an assault squad cold turkey in the middle of the Super Mutant infested DC ruins? And without double digit numbers or a sentry bot/deathclaw at least?

Who would call such an outrageous order? Does this make sense to anyone?

Please humor me with some viable reasons

Bethesda's awful writing and design and Elder Lyons (as I've said before, a mentally handicapped tactician) accidently entering the Enclave's vertibird's radio frequency and giving them the coordinates of where to drop off Enclave soldiers as where he was going to send a suicide squad.

That sounds about right lol

The Enclave believe themselves to be wielding superior weapons and armor (which they are, to a certain extent.) This, coupled with no doubt brainwashing about how superior Enclave personnel are and how inferior non-Enclave are means that they will probably have a tendency to underestimate their enemies.

Let's not forget that their leader, Eden, seems to be the type of guy who'll gladly throw "troublesome" personnel on suicide missions. "Oh, you have issues with how I run the Enclave? That's all right, I'll take it under consideration. By the way, I'd like you to patrol sector A-37, and clean it up if you will."

Because the Enclave IS dumb.

No, it's just that the Enclave is the remnant of the US government. That fact right there explains it all.

But no - I think it's just one of those things where it just happened to be a weird case in the AI.

It's called having the balls to die for what you believe in which most people don't seem to have. Or the commanders are [censored] your choice.

I wanna know why the player isn't getting into the fray!

1. Its a game for Pete's sake. Before you call "God why are the Enclave so Dumb?!" Consider that the area varies according to what the current conditions are. I've wiped the area out before and then triggered the Enclave drop. Which would make sense ("Alright our chief enemy just got done fighting a bunch of mutants, he's weak and low on ammo. GO GO GO!"

Simply because the person in the video triggered the Enclave drop sooner and made it a three-way fight (well two way, since the player doesn't really get involved) in which the Enclave sends its troops into a death-trap, doesn't mean that this always happens.


2. Once again depending on the character level, there can be so damn tough Enclave soldiers which spawn from there. Hellfire etc.

3. Its a scripted event. Blame Bethesda for writing the Enclave to make silly decisions like this. You can't blame it all on tactical ineptitude. Bethesda makes a point of trying to show how the Enclave is the most "powerful" enemy in the capital wasteland, but at the same time, writes the Enclave so they do things like drop their soldiers into hot-zones.

the game develeopers made set points were enclave and super mutants spawn. they happened to be in the same place this time.

well they did have a cage there maybe they were trying to recover something and didn't want to start a war with talon co.

Hahaha I never said that bucko! I said "Why would the Enclave do something so dumb?" I have never stated they were dumb; quite the contrary in fact. I believe the Enclave are the smartest faction in the wastes; and was baffled by this horrible tactical choice

That would be Bethesda's department then. Obviously you can chalk it down to some silly in-game reason like the Enclave simply getting a jolly out of getting themselves killed, but ultimately it factors down to what Bethesda wrote them to do. Which is apparently make bad tactical choices.

I'm not gonna lie though... if I was Enclave I would've volunteered for that mission (and took a few "just-in-case" stealthboys with me also).

I also would've been a good distance away from the nuclear powered cars and shooting dice behind the trashbin with my Enclave buddy

After I saw that Super Mutant overlord I would have did an about face and got the hell outta there.

Then ate a piece of cake with Lt. Andro on our walk home back to RR (after I gave him a stealthboy and we evaded death)

I say it was game mechanics. Super mutants spawn there(they spawn most everywhere.) Enclave just so happen to spawn there too.

Seems like there was an Overlord in there.

Regardless, that event can be totally different.

How so?

If a few Hellfire troops would have got dropped off you think it would have been Super Mutant bbq?

I've never seen an Overlord and Hellfire go head to head; that'd be interesting

Depends on their equipment. Where did that take place? DC? I have seen lots of those triggered fights, been awhile and I can't remember that location, but if vanilla, then no Overlord, no tri-beam laser, and Enclave can win. Overlords are a pain.

Even the greatest armies find themselves with bad info and a strategic disadvantage from time to time.



. If a faction always won or rather never lost, there woukd really be no point, would there? One faction just owns. Where is the conflict? In a real war do unexpected skirmishes, or things that are outside on any one particular partys control happen? Are the icons on the screen depicting robots, or humans and subhumans interacting?

I'm sure that there was really something of tactical importance in there... why that meant being dropped off into such a bad, open location and almost always directly into enemy fire I don't know.