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Brit living in Canada here (Gorgeous country by the way).

One thing that is not mentioned is the fact that Canada is a member of the British Commonwealth, which means that if Canada is attacked, the UK and the other members of the Commonwealth are OBLIGED to defend her. Perhaps the fact that the UK is a member of the European Commonwealth negated this in the fallout universe. Watch out Yanks, you really don't need a bunch of Rastas and pissed up Aussies on your back, never mind the British!

The U.S. annexed Canada because it was funny like a South Park episode. Remember Fallout 1 when the Armored soldiers shot the guy in the head and then gave a friendly wave. It was funny.

Also, the U.S. annexed Canada to better defend or retake Alaska. Keeping sea borders is advantageous too, but this is not the sole reason. During the Cold War years it was feared that if Communist regimes took Alaska they could move through Canada and secure the U.S. farming communities which was a suspected target for starving China and USSR.

Traditionally, Canada uses most of it's taxes on socialised provisions and very little on it's military. Canadian military is very well trained, but has fewer numbers and in the long run the thought was that it could not hold off a massive assault pouring in from what was thought to be a secured Bering Straight. Given that background the U.S. annexes countires for defensive purposes but most traditionally to improve the Navy we take for instance the Phillipines and Puerto Rico. Both places had strategic benefit especially during the emergence of modern America.

We don't know if Canada was a member of the British Commonwealth by that time in the Fallout universe. And we don't even know if the UK still existed (it could have dissolved during the Resource Wars).

Must have done, Tenpenny is British.

I believe the plan was to annex them completely, and the US kept putting strain to make them do something to give them an excuse to annex them.

I doubt the UK would have been a big adversary against a strong flexing superpower like the US anyways, but by the time of the annexation, nonetheless, Europe was out of the picture fighting within itself for resources. It is very possible that Europe, however, wasn't as badly effected as the US and China by indirect nuclear destruction. That actually makes sense with the Resource War consuming Europe anyways thus they really wouldn't have been a target of a Chinese attack but the Nuclear Winter combined with the previous chaos wrought by the Resource Wars probably made Europe an inhospitable place while the US would still be expansive and unproductive, thus explaining people like Tenpenny.

Why Canada? It isn't that far-fetched, and I do still think it was meant to be a joke, considering its strategic position in relation to Alaska, as well as its major oil deposits (not just wood), the question really is, why wouldn't they?

As for a Canadian flag, what would the Fallout version look like? I know for a fact both the Chinese and American versions are different, so would Canada not have the maple leaf?

They wouldn't be a target against a Chinese attack, but they could have been one against an attack from the Soviet Union or the Middle East.

I don't think so, the Soviet Union wasn't that big of a player in the Fallout Universe, China was. It hadn't of collapsed but I seriously doubt it would have of initiated a war on its own without its ally who was distracted with a major superpower penetrating deep inside of its territory, which led to the implementation, obviously, of China's Mercenary's Mace to its extremity. No, Europe was pretty much disorganized and devastated by the Resource Wars and the Middle East had been pretty much defeated as well in the wars by Europe, without major backers like the Soviet Union and China who were distracted with the US elsewhere, they wouldn't have been such a big threat. Then, after the devastation of the Resource Wars you have Nuclear Winter that can be achieved in a nuclear exchange between two countries:

We don't really know if the Soviet Union wasn't a big player. We just know that it wasn't in conflict with the United States, but it could have player a bigger role in Europe. It was also likely at war with China as well.



Which is why it wouldn't be unfeasible for the Soviet Union to try to invade Western Europe given its disorganized state.

The maple leaf flag was adopted in 1964, which was after the Fallout universe split from ours.

He has a brittish accent, that just mean that the island of "Britain" (Comprising of the major landmass of current day England, Scotland and Wales), or the British Isles (the archapelligo, Britain + Ireland, The Channel Islands, The Hebredies, The Ornkeys and the Shetlands) exists - Doesnt mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland does.

it's in the screen information if you load a safe game in tenpenny tower that 'mr tenpenny' is a refugee from great brittain, something similair with moriarity ?

Moriarty is just of Irish descent, he was born in the Capital Wasteland.

But yes, Tenpenny is a British refugee, but it simply means that he comes from Britain (the island), not that there is anything left of the United Kingdom.

Canada's Flag would have been the Red Ensign!

Yup.

Also, it better hammers home the message the USA before the bombs were good guys. In the scenario described, all nations became ruthless and evil in their competition for the last remaining resources. This summary execution you see (something you expect from a bloody dictatorship, not from an enlightened democracy), presented by the TV as an admirable act, is a caricature of the excess of the Cold War such as McCarthyism. The TV station is so engrossed by the propaganda it broadcasts that it cannot understand the images at their face value, so they use this clip as an example of gallant and valiant behavior from "our boys on the front".

It doesn't really have to make good military or economic sense; if it does it's just a bonus. The first reason Canada was invaded and occupied was to show the true color of the Fallout world's US Government, a bellicose faction, sold to the military industrial complex, its democracy subverted by special circumstances laws to protect against the communist threat, waging wars to subsidize companies like West-tek, grab resources, and satisfy an ideology of conquest. The government that would become the Enclave.

In the event of canada being invaded by china, America wouldnt have to annex them as all member states of NATO would be summoned to liberate alaska.

I have a question...
What if Canada was still a British Colony?

British Empire V United States of America V China

as a member of NATO canada would have had right to call upon aid from all member states in the event of outside invasion..

I find the idea of canada being annexed by America a little strange. as America would have been part of a force sent to liberate canada along with all other NATO member states,

If America did invade canada it would put NATO Into a bit of a funny position, which could see America being kicked out of NATO and canada being liberated by its forces...

not too sure tho its a bit of a head[censored]

Unless NATO was disbanded.. or something

Moriarty is just of Irish descent, he was born in the Capital Wasteland.

But yes, Tenpenny is a British refugee, but it simply means that he comes from Britain (the island), not that there is anything left of the United Kingdom.

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yeah and im of Irish decent but i dont have a [censored] off irish accent as well!!!!!!

Also, Tenpenny is described as 'British', whilst it's true that this technically means the largest of the British Isles, it strongly implies that the UK is still a nation. If it wasn't then he would almost certainly be described as 'English' (or Scottish, or Welsh or Northern Irish.)

Moriarty has a strong (Southern) Irish accent, so if he's not from Ireland then he's a faker!

Plus... isn't Daring Dashwood British?

Theres no problem with The next installment of Fallout being in Canada for several reasons. #1 is its Fallout Canon that the U.S. anexed it. Now as for the issue of The common wealth conection or the Nato conection goes; they are non issues and here why: Canada broke from the common wealth in the 1970's and is fully and completely Autonomous. #2 is NATO is first and foremost an American created and largely American lead Orginisation that has never done anything without U.S. Backing. NATO is no more in the FAllOUT Universe because:
"The Eurfopean Union disolves into bickering waring Nation states bent on controlling the last resources on earth"

The time line broke way before the 70's and it broke due to the arms race not stopping after the end of WWII...
I highly doubt that in such an intense arms race Britain would let go of Canada...


Also I seriosely am backing the View that Britain would have survived, whether Britian home soil survived or just part of their vast empire, or even just a few ships from thier navy...
I belive they would have had one of the four largest armies in the war.

Chinese, Russians, Americans, British Empire.

And I belive the British would be the most prodominantly naval and also the most spread out.
Meaning they had optimum chance to survive...

What happened to Her navy? Old boy, it is the British EMPIRE for a reason! Her Majesty is always in firm control of HER ships, sir!

Anyways... As it has been repeated over and over, the Resource Wars saw Europe fragment, that would have most certainly included Canada, which have made them very weak to a US invasion, in fact I would almost stipulate that perhaps many within Canada would have seen an American annexation preferable to chaos that a weak and ineffectual government would have given them. As for the British, I doubt they would have fared much better than the rest of Europe since they were a confirmed member of the European Commonwealth they were already losing a majority of their resources helping build a huge navy for the rest of Europe and fighting to hold on to the Middle East, they would have lost some of their colonial navy and army in Israel.

Mind you, the British have been equaled at sea before when it came to Germany, how can you just ignore the battle of Jutland or the German battleship Bismarck, and France, which was able to at least go toe to toe with British ships on a regular basis.

I could even make the argument, that with their superior resources of uranium and ore, that it would be the French who would have had a much better chance of surviving the wars. In fact I would find it hilarious to find a French Sub in Quebec City or somewhere in North Carolina much like the Shi Empire, they try to create a Creole Empire mixing their French with a Southern English accent.

Erm, Canada IS in the Commonwealth. It is also, as you rightly said, fully and completely autonomous. It is, however still technically a dominion, not a country (just as Wales is technically a province and not a country). Canada's head of state is the British monarch (take a look on Canadian currency! It also competes in the Commonwealth games!

Although this is predominantly a ceremonial position it still means that the UK is obliged to defend Canada in the event of attack, even by our allies, the Americans. Canada would take priority.