I see a lot of anti pvp nonsense out there which confuses me.

why would you want to kill monsters all day which cant think, and fight you with simple scripts? it doesnt seem very challenging, and even endgame pve is usually easy because its dumbed down so the masses can experience it.

just curious as to why some people are so anti pvp around here, when pvp has been the obvious endgame since the announcement of eso.

Some people simply do not want to be verbally abused by other players. Maybe they would give it a try if they knew that the enemy players can't talk to them.

I guess it is just that the pvp crowd have a bad reputation that comes from other games.

As someone that likes pvp, pve, rp, solo content, group content, crafting and pretty much whatever the devs throw at me, I am trying to be neutral here.

I expect a part of it is not wanting to come across the type of person who refers to other people's opinions as 'nonsense'.

What exactly makes pvp any more or less diffcult than pve? Sure, players are not on scripts, but having my guild steamroll a battleground against randoms isn't much more rewarding. I find most pvp to be quite brainless and mind-numbing, especially when there are so many elements you cannot control.

I should also add that story/atmosphere is a huge part of PvE for me, so grinding endlessly on mobs one after another isn't exactly what I'd call a good time either.

People just like different things. There is no one side that is superior than the others and forcing one's playstyle on the other side is not going to make things any better, and I have also seen many hardcoe pvpers fail at end game pve.

I'm just not interested in PvP. I'd rather cooperate with other players to complete quests. It's just not my style.

Its mostly because alot of people just are not that good at it. Theres nothing wrong with that. I have seen it go the other way also.

You know you can also group up in PvP so you can work together to achieve a common goal right (there are also pvp quests)?

Because humans cause unplanned and unexpected encounters.

Areas such as cyrodill are perceived to require hypervigilance, preparedness, and a preadator's mindset. Many humans have been socialized out of this.

Because of a perceived risk of loss in pvp, which is a follow on effect from the standard behavior of most humans for loss perception. (IMHO, eso is the lightest death penalty of any game i've seen, so far.)

Because of efforts in RL to minimize any form of behavior that does not conform to FOTM standards.

Because in PvE, all humans are winners.

Edit: Also 6/10 for the multiple pages this will get.

I play PvP, but sometimes I like to indulge myself into the story side of a game too.

First of all because im just not good at it.

Second because i don't like being camped/abused by some of the pvp-ers.

Third because i get more angry being in pvp, which makes me quit games, and unfortunately i even got to beating up a dude whom i knew was playing that game at the time for being rude and camping me on one character. Was very nasty for him that one.

For me, it used to be fear. Sounds weird but when i used to do pvp, id get so much adrinaline and a bit of panic i couldnt play like &#$%. Hell, i still have this in pvp but once you learn your character, and start to know your enemies and your rotation in pvp its a lot more fun then most think.

Its easy to learn, but hard to master. If you dont use addons for that cause then you dont have to master anything.

A lot of it comes down to parts of the current PvP crowd. Back in DAoC I regularly engaged in RvR battles and it was fun because people were generally respectful towards eachother. This has changed in recent years and quite frankly, not for the better. Verbal abuse is sadly commonplace in today's PvP and that's why many people stay away from it.

its the internet... humans are gonna be dikes to each other, you will have to get past it because the internet is only getting more offensive as time goes on.

if your only reason for not pvping is that you arent good at it or that you are worried about people talking crap, then thats gotta svck. thats like not driving because you are worried about some road rager flipping you off and hurting your delicate sensibilities.

"oh lawdy jefferson, im getting the vapors! fetch my smelling salts!"

I haven't seen any anti-PvP nonsense. I've only seen people saying they prefer PvE.

I have no competitive spirit whatsoever. I dislike unpredictability, I like doing things at my own pace. 1v1 and small group fights can be fun, but massive battles seem boring to me and while I'm not anti-PvP, there are other equally interesting ways of interacting with the gameworld and other people. Like doing quests and learning their stories, if they have any. Crafting and trading.

I think your also have a point here. Not only on the internet but people in general became more unconsidered it seems. Or people are more free to show their true nature compared to 50 years ago, especialy on the internet.

In real life, if some one rubs me the wrong way, i wil react in a diffrent matter then i would on the internet even if its the exact same situation.

To be clear, I am not anti-PvP. There are folks out there who enjoy the challenge of virtual fighing against other players, and by all means they should feel free to do so.

I simply don't. Instead, I prefer to explore and quest cooperatively in a small group, playing within the scripted environment.

The only thing I do oppose in regard to PvP are those players who somehow feel it necessary to gank PvE players instead of finding other PvP players with whom to conduct a virtual fight.

That's life man, most people will do only what they feel comfortable doing. They don't see pvp as a challenge or even something fun.
Let them be i say.

The past 2 betas got me so hooked up on the story I couldn't give much crap about cyrodil but i'll try it out eventually.

I don't like pvp myself. I'm pve all the way. I've played pvp before, but it's just not very fun for me. I get more satisfaction out of figuring out and defeating very difficult raid encounters than I do trying to kill other players. Just a personal preference.

Players abusing cross factions.

This is a myth, there is no cross faction communication in pvp. You do on the odd occasion get some who will use caps locks all the time in zone chat, but to be honest they are few and far between. Then there is the ignore button .

I like pvp the way it has been done in TESO, yet I detest how its been done in games such as Rift, WoW, SWTOR and AOC etc. I hate battle arenas, tried them once and never stepped foot in another in any other mmo. As a person who takes part in both sides of the game pve and pvp I can say that we are not all that bad.

There is no penalty for dying in pvp to another player something which I don't like, as I would like to see full loot rights. I have to play with what the game gives me and so I am stuck with it. No death penalty to being killed by other players.

There is no reason to join the zerg a small group of players can still be effective in pvp and have fun. Also there is a lot of pve content in Cyrodiil.

The only way to get better at pvp is to take part and learn how to act and react to situations and try and read the field of battle. Once you can do this you can more or less predict where the enemy is going to go and what they are going to do.

In the end we are all different and like different things and I can respect that, just don't tar all of those who like pvp with the same brush because some of us don't scream and shout or make abusive remarks to other players. There have been many fights which I have won and lost 1v1 over the beta testing where I wish we could openly communicate because they would of got a "GF" from me. Or a simple o7.

PvP is not the obvious endgame, it is ONE endgame. Furthermore, why not ask why anyone would play a single player Elder Scrolls game when there are PvP MMOs and first person shooters to play?

If PvP was what motivated me to play games I'd stick to games designed to be played in first person where aiming makes a difference and grenades bounce around corners. I loved games like Counterstrike and the various Unreal Tournament games for that sort of thing. While I do PvP in MMOs from time to time it isn't something that draws me to them.

Believe it or not I thrive on a certain degree of mindless repetition, slowly progressing accumulating wealth and power. I like games where I can gather things, mine things, and collect things. I like hanging out with people who want to work towards a common goal, even if that goal just involves getting everyone to not stand in the fire. I honestly don't even think that ESO is going to be the best MMO out there but from what I've seen from the betas I've been in it's good enough for a pleasant change of scenery and to meet up with some old friends from past MMOs. For me, that's all I expect of any MMO.

I don't think most people who make negative statements toward PvP are against PvP itself (after all, they can simply choose not to participate). However, when PvE content suffers changes to accommodate PvP mechanics, then the PvE players tend to get a bit miffed. And most often you really can't fault them for the reaction.

I PvP a bit (though not as much as I used to) and enjoy it, and I am well familiar with the whole concept. I also like to PvE. Unfortunately, quite often PvE mechanics are constantly taking hits all in the name of "balance" for PvP. Especially when the PvP crowd can't agree on what they believe to be "balance".

I think some folks just take it personal when another player kills them instead of a mob. Then some griefer/troll type spams chat with insults and it leaves a bad taste in there mouth. Just ignore those types and you'll start to see a community of good people who enjoy spirited competition.

there is so many reasons to think about, because everyone is different.

The main reason is that not everyone is competitive. Not everyone enjoy having to install all the best addon and train to be on the same footing as other players who are really invested in pvp.

Some just play for fun, to live an adventure and going in pvp is not living a fantasy adventure, its fighting a war.

Well...for me it's a c ouple reason:

1) I've played since Ultima. A long time, basically. I've never been in a PvP game that didn't have just too much griefing, more than I can handle.

2) I get a noticeable physical bodily reaction that's almost phobic. After my years of open world PvP games I've just grown to be terrified of PvP.

3) I don't like unexpected surprises, if you know what I mean.

4) I like it when things have a structure to them that I can easily percieve, similarly I also prefer theme park to sandbox. Chaos makes me feel disoriented and downright angry.

5) I'm not really a fan of the smack talk, and I'm just being honest and anecdotal here when I say that from Ultima to now its started off bad and only grow worse.

6) Ganking O_o especially with CC now being extra common place in MMOs. Reaffirming my fears.

7) It wouldn't satisfy me. I like the stereotypical "big bad" killing feeling. Killing other players is a lot more iffy. There's no such thing as a bad human, hell even Hitler had a humane side. And thus my preference to kill things that were designed evil .