You don't need radiated water, death, no countries, and no trees for something to be called post-apocalyptic.

Yes that part makes sense people fighting over the purifier but it was not there for 200 years. Why would people live there for 200 years with no clean water, no fresh food, no living trees and radiation everywhere? Why did no one build anything new out of new materials? This is my point of the atmoshere of FO3. It makes no sense. The West was wiped out yet people there by the time of FO1 had managed to build new buildings and farm and had clean water and no radation other then the Glow.

FO3 was just people living in mud holes eating radioactive cram doing nothing for 200 years.



Agreed :fallout: More people need to play FO1.

alright I concede, thats a vaild point. :laugh:

I just wanted to say that I played FO3 first, and now I've turned into a FO1/2 elitist...

Interplay must have done something right.

Hate fallout 3? Bethesda?


I love them. I love them both to pieces! I'm an old school Fallout fan-boy... the kind who ranted and raved about how great my favorite game was and why all those little folks out there who disliked it svcked. I forced all of my friends to play it, and I turned them into old school Fallout fans too. We were a community of diehards, and it was all good. We disagreed about what we thought should and shouldn't be changed when Fallout 2 came around... I, for one, -liked- the additional real world weaponry... but for the most part we remained largely on the same page. We never really bothered much with Fallout Tactics until recently, when the triple pack was made available for purchase.

Now, we've all played it... and really, for the most part, we agree that it was a good game. Not an RPG, but definitely fun to play.

Plus, actually -driving- vehicles was badass! (where they got the fuel for them, we may never know)

But after that, the series seemed to be dead. We were left to sit and talk about the old games... the same games, and the same mistakes, and the same things we would change and want to see done differently... until at last, most of us stopped talking about it at all.

Until Fallout 3 came around.


Suddenly, we were all talking again. We got together and chit-pvssyd about rumors... about Bethesda being behind the wheel. Most of us were long-time Bethesda fans, and we were willing to overlook the changes being made as the price one pays for resurrection. We had our concerns, sure... and when the game ultimately shipped we even had our complaints... but the fact of the matter is that the game is -FUN-.

It captures -all- the ambiance of the original game's environment (save for a lack of farms, which even I admit was an oversight), even though it doesn't quite make sense when you look at it from the logical angle. Yes, it -does- seem like the bombs fell yesterday... and despite the massive dosages of radiation... it doesn't really seem like it was a NUCLEAR war at all.

The scaled-down environment didn't give the designers enough room with which to make an adequately devastated nuclear wasteland. Hell, it didn't even really leave enough room to build a believable FARM! But still... the game was fun to play, and while you played it really brought back memories of me wishing I could see the fallout world from the boots of my little pixelated DUDE_OBJ it power armor.

And I was! And it made me happier than any game has made me in a very long time.

Yes, there were flaws... and people with no lives (myself included) have gone into great lengths to point those flaws out. They have gotten into massive, unending pissing contests over what is right and wrong and logical and canon... and the reality of it is... not a one of those things matters to me in the least. Not a one. The only thing that has ever mattered, in regards to my love of Fallout, is that I get to live in a wasteland... fend for my life... explore ruined places... meet interesting people... and then kill them!

Fallout 3 provided that to me, just as much as any of the other games before it. Not only that, but it fulfilled my dream of a first person Fallout game... and for that I will always love it, no matter how questionable I find some of the design decisions. Each was made for a reason, and the only two reasons Bethesda really had were either to capture some specific piece of the original games (even if it didn't quite make sense logically)... and to make it sell to the mass market, so that they could justify the rebirth of the franchise.

Why do us people hate Fallout 3 and Bethesda?

Well, folks will tell you a lot of things... but the only answer you'll get from -me- is: "Stop being so presumptuous. Some of us -loved- it..."

See all you Fallout 3 haters? There are people who liked the originals and Fallout 3, the series might have started to die out if Bethesda hadn't bought it (Certainly wouldn't have gotten game of the Year!).

And to all you who say Vegas is better, it's not even being considered possibly being game of the year to anybody! (I know it hurts but you bash Fallout 3 in every way)

And I know you're going to blame the graphics and the engine for it but, that's not all there is to a game...

I hate to remind everyone, but bethesda only paid more money to buy fallout.

Bioware/Square Enix/etc. would have owned Fallout if they did'nt buy it.

Bioware would have made a GOTY game I bet, seeing that ME2 was the best "socalledRPG" of the year.
No the engine is'nt, and that's all FO3 had changed.

A new engine, and the same.. exact.. storyline.

Also only downside as to why it might not be best game are the bugs that Bethesda is supposed to fix and to have tested for. I don't hate Fallout 3. I just don't think its a very good fallout game.

You don't get it, do you? 3 pages in, and a lot of supposed FO3 haters have all stated that they like the game, they just don't think it's a very good FO game in the sense of what the series has always been about. Still, I think everyone acknowledges the fact that without FO3, the series would most likely not be as popular today.

The GOTY argument is moot - it depends on so much more than the actual game's performance, and a game like ME2 fulfilling a potential people had hoped for since the original is a much stronger contender. But it's also the case that in a shallow world, NV was hampered by its bugs and the lack of up to date graphics.

I gave this some more thought: for me, the problem is that FO3 has more in common with a game like Diablo than with the original titles. It's all about exploration and dungeon crawling - find cooler, better weapons and armour, get stronger etc etc. For such a game, being a demigod towards the end doesn't matter, because you'll simply find tougher opponents (hence no low level enemies towards the end). And thus, the RP elements are just surface polish, with little consequence for the actual gameplay (just as you don't RP a barbariarn, thief, whatever in the Diablo series). In fact, you could take out all the FO universe unique elements and still have a good dungeon crawler game - that in itself to me suggests that the game is not really true to the series' heritage.

I honestly didn't begin hating Fallout 3 till a lot of the "new fans" started bashing the originals, and started treating 3 like a holy relic. At first the game was just underwhelming.

I don't particularly "hate" Fallout 3. I just strongly disapprove the core design it took in comparison to the aspects that made the series what it was before it. It's a terrible Fallout game, medicore-at-its-best-moments RPG and a decent sandbox exploration game. In my opinion, Bethesda took the "sandbox" aspects far too close to their hearts and left everything else (things that would've actually mattered in this series, like RPG mechanics and writing) with way too little attention. They weren't bold enough to try and create something they hadn't created before - but they were bold enough to give the series a complete turnover and disregard the strengths of it. I still don't see any sense in keeping two franchises in making, when all that separates them is the setting (the different rulesets can be counted out as in both games characterbuild practically doesn't make any substantial difference one way or the other).

Fallout 3 does fine what it was designed to do (sandbox exploration), but what it does badly is a selection all the things that made Fallout and Fallout 2 great. I'm pretty sure Fallout 4, when it comes, will be nicknamed "Skyrim with guns" (for the same reason Fallout 3 got its nickname) and sets out to fix what Skyrim did wrong in the general level - and we hear more of Petes press statements "We don't just suddenly do something different, because that's not what we do" - but I do hope Bethesda has the guts and willingness to separate the franchises so that both would offer a different general experience - both with their own core gameplays and design goals.

That may (or may not, you decide) sound harsh, but harsh criticism is better heard than backpatting criticism.

Bravo. Some people need to take off those blinders. :fallout:

Disliking Fallout 3 =/= dislisking the game overall and being a Bethesda hater

being a person who started with FO3, I can say that NV wasn't what I was expecting, but I liked it more than FO3. after becoming addicted, I sat on my computer for days reading about the old games and the fabled "fallout bible" ( I laughed so hard when i saw that name the first time. only a series like fallout would make a "bible" to get it's story straight).

I can completely agree with the older fallout fans (or "elitist", I guess they prefer) that it's almost unbearable in terms of a comparison, but Bethesda was trying to jumpstart a dead series and make it a multi-platform RPG/FPS. unfortunately, they did a half assed job on "bridging the gap" and tried to bring in fans of FPS games with similar gameplay elements in games nowadays, and left out a lot of old elements that made it the RPG it was back in the old days.

do I hate Bethesda for screwing up the series? hate's a little strong. disappointed, yes. they seem to be getting better, with some of the old things brought back in NV, but that was more Obsidians doing, I'm sure. in all fairness, I think that's why bethesda had them do it.

do I hate Bethesda in general? why yes. yes I do. but. i think my anger is more directed at their higher ups in zenimax, or whoever gets together in that big room to discuss how there going to make money. I paid $140 CND for a preorder of the collectors edition game & guide(PS3), only to find that it was rushed to meet deadlines and was somehow worse than FO3 in terms of freezing/bugs/glitches. they repeatedly used software in multiple titles that they knew was defective. that is inexcusable. it's like when toyota got caught doing half assed safety checks with their vehicles. they just couldn't be bothered to guarantee their product, because it would cost money.

do I hate FO3? I agree that it's not a "fallout" game when comparing it to the old series. but hate it?

never...:flamethrower:

Well, thanks Aleister for at least trying to understand our position rather claiming we are full of blind nostalgia.

I guess I'll expand upon why I found Fallout 3 underwhelming. It feels too much like the devs tried to create the proverbial "better plasma gun", and make the game EPIC!1. The game tries too hard to be EPIC!1 with the Fat Man and the Super Mutant Behemoth and the lore-broken Brotherhood of Steel. I'd go on, but I'm kind of tired of flogging this dead horse for 3 years.

I don't hate Bethesda, just Todd Howard and his annoying voice.

LOL

On a side note: GOTY edition =/= Good Game

Jerry Bruckheimer is on the board of Zenimax, so maybe you could all start boycotting his films!

Agreed, Todd Howard is an idiot.

I can understand someone not agreeing with his perspective on what's cool and/or hilarious, but I wouldn't say that he's an idiot.

Em no, just have an annoying voice

I can't find that quote he made where he said that killing is funny.

On a side note: What do you mean "you people"?

really? weird... he's made soooo many shows/films.

I'm not a Fallout elitist, Fallout 3 hater, or Bethesda hater. Bethesda got me into my favorite series. In fact, as a person who loathes fantasy, I have to admit that Skyrim sounds pretty damn awesome. I recognize that Fallout 3 is a bad Fallout game after playing the first 2, and I still love that game, I even enjoy the gameplay aspect of real time and 3rd/1st person more than the isometric perspective and turn based of the originals.