I played 1 and 2 in 1999. Loved them back then. Tried to play them recently and couldn't get into them. I'm spoiled by 3D graphics

Honestly I wish Obsidian did the story and character details as they are masters of and Bethesda handled the visuals, music and world details, which in my opinion they are masters of.

Best answer yet!

This engine discussion is really strange. I can tell you that if I had a game studio and was presented with a choice between paying salaries for about 20-50 people for 2-3 years to make a 3d engine with the requisite 3d graphical content from the ground up - or use the already existing 3d engine the studio already has developed for another game, the choice would be quite easy.

Love this reply.

But Canon is fact and Logic should not be igorned. Even in a game with Science!

But yeah I agree it all comes down to taste. Just because someone does not like FO3 does not mean they hate Bethesda.

But I think theres a point when we just need to let logic go as a good basis for an arguement. That point for me is when we start arguing and pointlessly debating on things. I don't really need logic to enjoy a game. A certain degree, yes. But I think Fallout 3 fits snuggly in my spectrum of how much "logic" I want in a game. That spectrum of logic may be larger or small depending on the person, but then again thats personal taste and is futile to argue about.

Logic is relative. What may be logical to someone, is illogical to the next. And as your own sig says Styles, "some men aren't looking for anything logical, some men just want to watch the world burn." I'm one of those people who, in the world of Fallout, want to watch that universe burn, I don't want rebuilding. Is it logical? It is for me. But thats my preference.

Canon is by the same token, also relative. Fallout doesn't have a holy tome to go off of. There isn't an "outside" Fallout power. Canon is defined by whoever holds the reigns. When Black Isle had the reigns, they defined what was and wasn't canon. Now that Bethesda owns the series. They define it, what they say is canon. If Bethesda were to sell the series tommorow, that new developer would decide canon, and thats what it would be. Even if the series was completely changed and they decided that everything up till that point was wrong and non-canon.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rant. :foodndrink:

Frankly I don't care how logical or illogical Fallout 3 is, nobody's complained about the Dunwich building, and that's some supernatural shiz going on there. Where's the logic in that? In short, threads about "what do you prefer" between two very good choices are always just pointless.

:foodndrink: well put.

/bow.

-We aim to please.

-Golfclap. Another good post. :thumbsup::celebration:

That's because the Dunwich building was freakishly scary. I ran out of that building and went flying off a cliff because it was dark and died lol... I had absolutely no idea what this place was. It was like 2 AM, all the lights in my house were off and I had surround sound on... It really was a complete suprise lol

Don't be sorry it was well said.

I don't like FO3 because the story is poorly done, forced into helping BoS, things arn't explained very well (most things), almost everything is Black and White and things like Optimus Prime. I bring up the atmosphere alot because I notice most people agree that FO3 and New Vegas are both great games but what makes them side with FO3 is the atmosphere.

I am hope FO4 will be a mix of FO3 and New Vegas when it come to atmosphere. :foodndrink:

fattoler I to think the durnwich building was an attempt to put magic (but it was a very small attempt) in Fallout but then again FO2 had a ghost.

I have to hope that someday, sometime...there will be a Fallout game that will satisfy us all. Lets hope its Fallout 4. :fallout:

-Story and character depth of Planescape: Torment, tactics like Hitman, and photorealistic graphics. Thats not asking much... :hubbahubba:

Dunwich had a lot of goals, probably due to some radiation below the ground, nothing supernatural.

Yeah, except for the strange monolith, the falling books, the self opening doors and the Kribenith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY

I really fail to see how you can compare these games,because they both are different,Fallout 3 is more focused on the Apocalyptic Wasteland,and trying to find,and later,avenging,your dad.whilst New Vegas is Centered around Apocalyptic Las Vegas,trying to hunt down your would be murderer,and then you would have to choose what faction to support (NCR,Legion,House,Independent).They use the same engine,but they are not alike in anything other.

Exactly.

That's why we compare them, whatever the hell FO3 is about is wrong for the series.

*Pulls of ghoul mask* "Jeepers! It was old man Obadiah Blackhall! But why?"

"Because he wanted to get the gold underneath the Dunwich Building, so he made up the whole building appear haunted by using bits of string, rubber bands and paperclips to scare away he raiders!"

"Yeah, and I would have gotten away with it too! If It weren't for you meddling kids and your dumb dog!"

*telephone rings*

"Vault Boy! Come Quick! The Enclave are holding the world ransom for 100 billion dollars or else they'll poison the D.C. water supply!"

"Holy-Haberdashery Elder Lyons! This could mean a battle royale!"

"To the Fast-travel mobile!"

na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :tops:

/deathfromlaughter

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thats amazing

Oh my. Write some more Fallout parody like that :goodjob:

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You said you didn't understand, so I spelled it out for you.

The relevance, ludicrous comparisons are made at present that Fallout3 is so similar to Oblivion, that it would likely be that the same people would have made the same ludicrous comparisons with Fallout2, had Oblivion been out prior to Fallout 2.

I hope you understand this time'cough', for I'm not going to spell it out again.

In a nut-shell, the same people would be making the same ludicrous comparisons, whatever order the games were.
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What you said doesn't fit.
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"And in "how does nonlootable armor not fit in" was about what I was talking about. How does it not fit in what I was talking about?"
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Another thing to spell out it seems.
You were rambling on about the profound changes that Fallout3 made ... well they were made in Fallout2 as well. I gave an example and the WIKI list to show that such changes were indeed made.

They did happen, and many were indeed improvements, but the inability to scavenge armour had quite a big effect which many found to be to be negative, you may deny this, but we accepted it and got on with enjoying the game anyway.

The attitude of those who dislike the changes and improvements that Fallout3 made seem extreme, to say the least, resorting to insulting Bethesda by suggesting in effect that it is little more than a version of Oblivion.

Most people, if buying a game and finding that they made a mistake and it was not suitable for them, they would have taken the game back and exchanged it for another .. simple. But no, some people prefer to come on here belly-aching or insulting the game-maker, and some probably just trying to wind up the players.

Personally, I would have just exchanged a game that I didn't like, and wouldn't bother to go on their game forum and insult the game I didn't like. Why not try that?

It is ridiculous if you think that you are going to change my mind about the game and suddenly say, in effect that it is as you believe it to be. I like the game, period, my mind is not going to be changed into your mind-set by what I see as ludicrous arguments.

The rest of your post seems to be a bit of a ramble to me so I'll skip that.
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Pointless pissing contest. Taste is subjective.

Very true. I've been thinking that for more than a while ... I've suggested an alternative, but it's a bit late for them to make a game-exchange now ... and for them to go elsewhere.

I do get the urge to correct what I see as a load of crap being posted about the game. I shouldn't really care, but if nobody corrects them we could end up with undesirable changes being made to the game by a minority viewpoint, or changes to a future game, I wouldn‘t want to go back to anything like it was before, though at that time it really had a great ground-breaking game-play ... For that time. The game having now evolved into so much more.
So, Bethesda you are doing fine so far.

Having wondered before buying it if it would be up to the previous Fallouts. Once out of the vault and getting involved, it was an "Ah this is Fallout ok, big smile, and it's hard, early on anyway, another big smile, and with so many improvements, well just wow".

First time that I read on the forum "Oblivion with guns", the concept was completely foreign to me, they're just taking the piss, the thought never entered my mind. Strange to me how other peoples' minds work sometimes .. not having my rationality
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Canon.

That's a point of view as well, to an extent.

If the overall feel of the game is along the lines of the previous game, then it is canon.
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Logic.

Best suspend disbelief and enjoy the game.

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