Why do you people hate Fallout 3/Bethesda? : Fallout Series Discussion

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:15 pm

Rome would be in worse shape if people forgot how to rebuild after it burned while Nero fiddled.

*Picture of Caesar fiddling on a hill with Legion troops as the city of New Vegas and Freeside burns aquired*

awesome.......

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:55 pm

New Vegas, the city itself, was handled poorly... I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I first walked into the city, and discovered that the entire thing was only three extremely tiny cells and that, ignoring loading times, I could walk from one side of the city to the other in less than a minute. It was far, far, far too small. And I realize that it has almost everything to do with the limits of the engine they were using, and that they had to make it run well on lower end PCs and consoles, but it still failed to live up to all the build up it had gotten before release, and all the build up it got in the game itself.

Engine limits, even DC is more smaller compared to the Real Life DC

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:45 pm

Engine limits, even DC is more smaller compared to the Real Life DC

And I realize that it has almost everything to do with the limits of the engine they were using

I'm aware. However it can't all be blamed on that. There were other ways Obsidian could have gotten around the limits of the engine, but instead they chose the route that made it incredibly small and disappointing. The fact that I can think of several areas in the DC Ruins that are much larger than the strip is a testament to just how small it is.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:01 am

I prefer fallout 1 and 2. but the others are ok. :fallout:

» Fri May 13, 2011 2:04 pm

gabriel77dan
Super mutants made no sense for me, Vault-Tec shouldn't have access to the Pan Immunity Virus/Forced Evolutionary Virus and super mutants should not be orcs that just rampage through the world with no goal other than to "kill puny huumanz."
Ghouls looks like burned victims, and they run, and they can wear power armor and all of the sudden they can go "feral" as well.

The situation is about 200 years hence ... chaos after apocalyptic nuclear devastation ... a situation where all normality has been thrown out of the window.
Some things would probably not make much sense in that situation, or have much rationality. I could start ranting about some things in the present day that have little rationality or logic, but I wont.

The worlds houses and buildings look nothing like the architecture of the previous games' buildings.
Radiation is now found everywhere.
People don't have any agriculture going on.
Electricity still works throughout the land with no power source to be found.
Factions were underdeveloped.
Towns were like populated by two to four dozen people and had no production going on either. (It's been 200 [censored] years!!)
Jet, a creation by sweet young Myron who died before his prime, magically appears a continent away.

So?
Development in this world in places is zero ... and we haven't had the apocalypse yet. There is nothing actually wrong with any of those things you are complaining about.

No weapons from the old games can be found.

Tut-tut, must have been melted down or something. Was not the 32 pistol in the previous, and I seem to remember the good old Hunting Rifle.

"What kind of half-assed attempt at Fallout is this?".

An attempt that found praise with reviewers, for achieving a Fallout sequel that was actually extremely good and followed the mould of Fallout.

Like I said, most of it's nit-picking... with nothing of any real substance.

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:31 pm

So?
Development in this world in places is zero ... and we haven't had the apocalypse yet. There is nothing actually wrong with any of those things you are complaining about.

*sigh*
I'm out.
If you can't see it then I don't feel any need to keep discussing.
Will just go around in circles.

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:03 am

I remember the argument (wasn't mine). But it was not, that Fallout 3 had magic. It was that the missiles performed and behaved exactly like your basic AoE fireballs from Oblivion and not like missiles.

And extrapolated from that, Fallout3 is Oblivion with guns.
...Bazooka missiles are not fireballs but explosive missiles with metal shrapnel...... fired from a launcher... Ah well.

Other, er, similarities, well I'm sure something can be latched onto and blown out of proportion, but meantime I will just accept that the inventory maybe quite similar to the one in Oblivion (gasp), and honestly, I just don't care if it is.

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:37 pm

And extrapolated from that, Fallout3 is Oblivion with guns.
...Bazooka missiles are not fireballs but explosive missiles with metal shrapnel...... fired from a launcher... Ah well.

Other, er, similarities, well I'm sure something latched onto and blown out of proportion, but meantime I will just accept that the inventory maybe quite similar to the one in Oblivion (gasp), and honestly, I just don't care if it is.

It wasn't my argument or point, so don't pan it on me.

You are not seeing the forest from the trees here. But anyways... keep it up, and keep looking.

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:11 am

The Collosium isn't similarly structured to buildings we have nowadays, that thing was made of stone last I checked, our buildings are made from metal and wood.

You could guess what is harder to break down.

Yes but it's built similar to D.C. and it's a tenth of the length of time.

If people are still living in the city then yes it would fall apart. People start fires, people blow things up, people don't keep up repairs, people cause water damage. Raiders, Slavers, gang wars, looters, and the few nukes that did make it. Rome would be in worse shape if people forgot how to rebuild after it burned while Nero fiddled.

But you are missing the point, it wouldn't vanish not in that amount of time. It would topple over, it would sometimes be reduced to rubble but it wouldn't be none existant...

"The Strip I can see why to some its a let down. Do all that work to get there and into the strip and yet there are only three casinos but the quests are great imo. Can gamble and spend time at Gomorrah. I include Westside and Freeside as part of New Vegas because it is. Mr.House just came along and built a wall around the strip. So New Vegas (Las Vegas) is not just the Strip. DC is all just combat and some old shops."

It was a really big letdown, at E3 they made it look like the trip was atleast eight casinos... The quests are good but they also said at E3 how you would "NEVER" run out of things to do there... I ran out of quests and got bored of gambling within two hours of entering the strip (it only took me four hours to get there).

The ruins of D.C. has virtually no life in it because of all of the dangers. The rest of the wasteland was creative and fun in F3 but D.C. was basically just a warzone...

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:46 pm

Yes but it's built similar to D.C. and it's a tenth of the length of time.

The Colloseum was not hit by nukes.

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:20 pm

How are you so sure? JK

I meant to enforce my theory of how Vegas was only hit by seven nukes and somehow the city is about a thirtieth of it's true size...

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:11 am

How are you so sure? JK

I meant to enforce my theory of how Vegas was only hit by seven nukes and somehow the city is about a thirtieth of it's true size...

It was hit by 21.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:18 pm

Nope seven... where did you hear 21?

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:00 am

Nope seven... where did you hear 21?

House and other NPC's. :confused:

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:56 pm

They said seven friend.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:04 pm

They said seven friend.

That hit Vegas directly or around it?

Because I recall hearing 21 weren't shot down.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:03 am

I'll double check...

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:32 pm

They said seven friend.

Hey he's not your friend GUY! (sorry, South Park reference, couldn't resist)

I think it was seven though.

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:50 pm

I might be confusing dialouge then, my bad.

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:55 pm

But yeah seven hitting the area in and around vegas wouldn't make a majority disappear, even after two centuries...

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:47 am

But yeah seven hitting the area in and around vegas wouldn't make a majority disappear, even after two centuries...

What kind of nukes are you talking about?

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:03 pm

But yeah seven hitting the area in and around vegas wouldn't make a majority disappear, even after two centuries...

This is more or less true, the ruins of Los Angeles supports that they woudn't be simply dust after all it was hit by around 100 nukes.

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:03 am

I believe they were bombs...

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:46 am

You didn't understand.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:30 pm

Appearantly I didn't...