I agree with you. Skimpy armor is just silly and disgraceful.

Heavy armor is the way to go!

Hide and fur would still be the weakest if they had logical protected areas. Because they're made of hide and fur. But I do understand that typically a barbarian would not be too concerned about being perfectly protected, they're too "proud" for that or whatever. But especially with the more proffessional armours, things like briast bumps are stupidly impractical, unless your aim when wearing it is to have most blows directed towards the centre of your chest. But also as I said, there have been far worse cases than Skyrim. The reason this stuff exists definitely is fanservice though.

Uh, speaking as a fencer, where rigid chest protectors are a requirement for women, I can assure you that "briast bumps" on armor are a real thing. And it's not as much of a disadvantage for them as you might think.

I'm bisixual and I agree with this, I play both male and female characters and I'm never drooling over them.

Though I prefer Women in games because I enjoy the idea of teaching men that women can be better then them...also they have better looking clothes most of the time.


Actually a girl would be more uncomfortable wearing armor designed for men, the chest bump isn't fan service its practical. Fan service would be having the armor show off too much cleavage or the bottoms being just panties without greaves or just all around looking skimpy which TES doesn't do.

It is. I've done fencing too. The aim of modern fencing is obviously not to kill people, the swords usually have plastic stoppers at the end and all that. Fencing outfits are not plate armour, they're just basic protective suits. Historical armour would never have briast bumps. I've read essays linked on these forums explaining why. They serve no purpose other than to make it more obvious your opponent is female and direct the weapon to the centre of the chest rather than deflecting it outward. If the briast protection in fencing used that type of armour shape, they'd be giving the women an advantage over the men who don't have it because it would be too easy to deflect the sword so you couldn't have a proper hit.

I never knew that. Thanks for the history on armor, Dragonbone!

> Historical armor

Right because so many past societies allowed women to join armed forces in real life...>_>

I'm not talking about the cloth jacket, I'm talking about this- http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MpGm1Qj1q_g/TfT6KHdRdWI/AAAAAAAAAA4/IWbT1VgO2HM/s1600/001.jpg

And the point of fencing, specifically in foil, is to land a solid hit on the torso. By your reasoning, a hard chest protector should be a major disadvantage because it guides the tip into the center of their chest. Only in practice, it doesn't.

Not to mention, even if we grant that that's what would happen, it's still solid steel at the center. A slash that ricochets off the boob bump and slides into the center of the chest has lost most of its cutting power, and a thrust from a sword or spear, if it has enough power behind it to penetrate solid plate armor, is going to penetrate whether it hits a flat surface or a... hilly one.

That's a good point but it's still something that wouldn't happen. There is no benefit to briast bumps and it adds a major disadvantage to the not having them. At least historical depictions of Joan of Arc depict her with proper armour.

Folks, I think we could try a little lot harder to stay on topic.

Ok ok lets get back on topic.

as i've stated I enjoy playing girls because of the clothes, they look far better then most male clothes in appearence

Another word for "fanservice" might be "entertainment." Let's not forget that we're talking about games here, not actual warfare. And they're single-player games at that, which means there really isn't any "right" or "wrong" way to play them.

To those that say they play a female because they seem more agile or whatever: that is a lie. Simo Hayha was very stealthy and he was a man. Most athletes are men. I just feel that this whole idea that you cannot be muscular and agile is the reason. In real life, those who are strong and muscular are faster and more agile, because legs have muscles too. To me a male Bosmer looks much more agile than pretty much every other race and gender. I play a female character, but only one, because male Bosmer are so much uglier than female ones. I only have just that one because I find it much harder to get an adequate looking female than a male, because with males you can cover up bad chins and mouths with beards, but you have to get women right without the benefit of beards.

I play as both. Being a guy myself, most of my male characters tend to take after me. It is easier to roleplay as a character that is nothing like me when that character is female. Thats why most of my male characters end up being some form of a good natured type.

I am a girl and I play as a guy wood elf - it just feels right for a dragonborn character to be male.... no real reason it just works better for me.

To look at their butt in 3rd person view.... What? It's a long game.

"War is the province of men, Eowyn" Eomer.

And that's not the first or last idiotic statement that people have made on the subject.

I think throughout the TES series there have been many females that have become war heroes in the legions.

The first human to lead the other humans to fight the Ayleid masters were a female.

I find leading the whole humanity to be much more powerful than leading a band of imperial soldiers

And if she'd taken any notice of him the WitchKing wouldn't have been killed.

Further proof is Almalexia who was the strongest among the tribunal.

I never stated that i agreed with it. I dont. But simply meant that on a sub-conscious level in may influence some peoples choice. Many ancient cultures believed this, certainly during the medieval timeline in Skyrim. Maybe you should think a little bit before flaming and condeming posts as idiotic.

I am a male, but every once in a while I like to play a female character. Normally this is just because I get a character idea in my head and it locks in as a female character. Case in point, my current character Drusilla Darkbourne (mage/thief, recent vampire convert). I really wanted to play a vampire, but I just cannot play a male vampire. They just never seem right in my head (creepy, ugly, nasty, whatever). But a female vampire works for me. Thief characters can be either. Mage as well. Fighters tend to male for me. This only applies to my player character. Female fighter NPCs are great and they are the ones I use as followers most often (depending on the situation). Anyway, as far as the skimpy armor/clothing issue (I am not restarting previous arguments, just an altenative view) - for this vampire character, I wanted to try it (CBBE curvy, Killer Keos Skimpy Armors, ApachiiSkyHair, Better Faces By Bella). I wanted the stereotyped vampire Vamp look - large chest, skimpy outfits, etc. My next character will a Khajit (resurrecting an earlier pre-mod character called Jaz'Rhokir), so I'll turn off the CBBE/Skimpy Armors/ASH (although I'll keep the Bella's using the non-makeup version - I like the look).

Not quite right. In the movie - true. In the book