There is always a great debate on these forums of which major faction is better, usually it devolves to flaming and bringing up some nasty implications of some forum goers. Anyways, I've decided to break up the monotony of our bickering and ask you all why you support the major faction you do. Give us pros, cons and any other reasons you can think of. You can even strengthen your argument by posting about what you find wrong with the other factions.

And please for the love of whatever diety you may or may not worship, no Enclave posts, this is a thread based around major factions.

I'll start.

I support the NCR, they have healthcare, education, and infrastructure. I like how thye are generally accepting of mutants (excluding super mutants, they seem to dislike them now) and allow their citizens to enjoy basic freedoms and safety in their lands (not the Mojave, it's currently contested). I also believe that democracy is the best form of government so far, I've read enough history books to know that for every Queen Elizabeth and Augustus Caesar there are 2 Henry the 8ths and Caligulas and mediocre rulers. I also believe that rule of law is better than the rule of an absolute monarch.

I do not support the way the government is structured. With how out of touch the senate is and how inefficient it runs I believe NCR needs to restructure itself to serve it's citizens, which is the job of an elected government. I also do not like how this corruption ends up screwing over their conscripted soldiers with second hand gear and faulty equipment.

The reasons I do not support House, Caesar or Independant is because House could care less about the Mojave outside of the strip and has let countless amounts of people lose their lives in a war he helps propogate, essentailly he's a war criminal and war profiteer. He has also accomplished nothing other than creating 3 casinos which he believes will help him rebuild humanity. His employees are not loyal to him, one has outright screwed him over and one tribe is planning to overthrow him.

Caesar forces people to serve them, controls the thoughts of his citizens and allows sixism and slavery as long as the slaves are forced to serve him and his legion. He has also made the legion too dependant on him, with no hier and no one smart enough to suceed him, the legion's security is at risk considering his illness. He is also a hypocrite, allowing himself an autodoc when his men have to make do with tribal remedies.

The people of New Vegas are unorganized, have no infrastructure, no healthcare outside of a few doctors and no education system. They rely on the Followers to teach them and steal supplies the NCR has already laid claim to (the NCR took over buildings they weren't using and got power and water working). They do little more than complain and whine.

All right, let's hear your reasons.

I support independent because it helps build my self esteem. I'm supporting ME.

Im with the legion cuz they are the only guys that can truly unite the wastes and make them crime free.Also there will always be slavers so why woudnt you ally with the ones who have a genious as a leader who just wants people to live in a secure area in which u dont even have to pay taxes?
The only really really bad con is the sixism.

Why do you support your faction, and why? :rofl:

The Followers of the Apocalypse.

But I doubt OP could grasp any arguments I may offer in support of them, with their opinion that they 'steal, complain and whine'. If that comment wasn't directed at the Followers, it needs clarified. A call for reasoned debate, followed by what is essentially a mindless flame of a faction they don't understand, would be ironic.

I just assume other supporters of the Followers will understand my reasons as well without stating them, and leave it at that.

House, just cause of the benefits I get out of him. :disguise:

I'm in the Independent/Brotherhood of Steel camp and I still know that the Follower's are the only faction that want to help people without something in return.

He could have took Anderson stealing water from the NCR as a sign that all of the Followers do this, but if I remember correctly he was acting alone and the Followers had no idea he did this.

It depends on the character I create. I never think of the Courier as "me." The Courier is just some hapless stooge I happen to be operating with a thumbstick. More fun that way (well, for me, anyway), and I like doing everything there is to do and I've supported every major faction at one point or another with different characters.

Although I have to say I enjoy running an NCR-supportive character the most. I wish to emphasize, however, that this has nothing to do with my own personal opinion of the NCR (Don't like them. Wouldn't support them). I enjoy playing NCR for the sole reason that it's the faction that seems to have the most wiggle room for role-playing. You can be a hardline, jingoistic Colonel Moore-type of character, or you can be more Cass-like where you liken the NCR to a screwed up brother. There's a lot of angles to it.

But if I were actually in that world, I'd probably be a member of the White Glove Society, due to my real-life background in restaurants. And cannibalism.

NCR mainly because of the democracy, freedom etc etc. Plus the Vet Rangers are badass.

NCR, cause they are the best of providing stability once the conflict is over without the sacrifice of individual freedom. I hate slavers, wanna-be hypocritical revolutionaries, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPIwTNCnfA, and not too comfortable with a genius overlord who gives power to people who do six-slave trafficking, extortion, and murder.

I support House because he is a genius, forming RobCo, making billions of dollars, saving Vegas, and defying Death himself for over two centuries.

He would be a perfect leader because, he wants his people to succeed, he has no human needs, and he is immortal so there would be no Neros or Conigulas taking over due to their leader dying of age.

Father Elijah.

No more wars, no more conflict, no more corruption. Peace for all.

There is only peace because everybody's dead.

Not really. Father Elijah intends to built his own nation. The Cloud to wipe the slate clean, Holograms for defense, Vending Machines for currency and materials, and Bomb Collars for compliance.

Well, we seem to be veering close to bickering amongst ourselves again, not surprisingly.

Perhaps it's the flawed premise of the thread:



... by inviting players to explain why they support a certain faction and, if they'd like, to point out what they don't like about the other factions.

Healthcare? Who says NCR has a healthcare system? O_o

Anywho, I support House because those neon lights in the distance mean something to me. The rebreathing of life into a once comatose city, and with Vegas will come a Lasseiz Faire independant nation. With House as it's leader, it won't worry about steep taxing, innefficient and bloated buerocracy, and being bottlecapped by Shady Sands for every resource in it's region. House offers the best hope for long term survival. Do I oppose NCR? Not at all, with a proposed NCR&House business deal, they could drive humanity to a renewed technologic and economic renaissance. I'd prefer House being the silent and stern overlord of Vegas over the inefficient NCR. As for the Legion, I cannot support them knowing that they follow Caesar, not Caesars ideals.

@Vault Girl- Anyone who has beef with FotA has been sipping the NCR juice a bit to deep. Followers are good people for the most part, and even a certian one who does that thing in Westside did it with good intentions, does it make what happened right? No, but his heart was in the right place. I'd sooner back FotA with all my caps than a platoon of NCR troops.

In fairness to the OP, the "complain and whine" was referring to New Vegas citizens in general, not the Followers, so I think he should be let off the hook for that one (unless you're pro-independence, of course, in which case, feel free to seethe).

The "steal" part, on the other hand, definitely was in reference to the Followers,

How can he build a nation when he kills all with the Cloud? (except the Courier in one ending)



I never heard of that either.



I agree, with the NCR having their democracy, land, and money and New Vegas having its services, freedom, and independance humanity would go into a new renaissance period (as you said).

And although I find the Legion interesting they will only last for a couple of more decades at most, they'd be lucky to stay together during one successor's rule after Caesar dies.

Spoilers bro. Anywho, I'd say Anderson, like Arcade, is a more pragmatic follower than corrupt. Corrupt implies a motive for self interest at the cost of others. Anderson's behaviour was taking one life to save many more. If I could have, I would like to have bribed Corporal White to look the other way, but such is life.

Your view of House is ignorant, he has accomplished much more than establishing three post-war casinos.

To start off he earned billions of dollars as the CEO and founder of RobCo, and he saved New Vegas from almost every single unke dropped in the area.

And he does care about the areas outside of the Strip, but he cannot focus on that while the NCR and Legion are at war.

This is war, he does not cares as much about another faction's casualties as most people care about who the members of the Fiends were before they were drugged up raiders. Many NCR officials do not even care about the deaths of their own soldiers, why should he?

Benny is the only one who has plotted to betray him, the others are just temporary allies until he can establish an army strong enough to take over the region without them.



He controls his people through fear, fear of what he does to those who disobey him or fail.

I do agree that since he has no heir the Legion may fall apart in a few decades or so.

As stated many times in game only the lower ranked members of the Legion have to follow the worst of the rules, they have to kill themselves if they were about to be captured, and they die if their wounds are to much for healing powder and rest to heal.

It is not hypocritical if the laws only apply to low rankign troops.

Whoops, thanks. Hadn't even considered that.



I'd agree with you describing Arcade as a pragmatist, but I don't see him as being anything like Anderson. I highly doubt he'd have taken the same actions Anderson did given the same situation. Granted, Arcade was willing to turn a blind eye to it, but by that time, what was done had already been done (his pragmatic nature surfacing). I tend to think that if he'd been there to stop Anderson (or talk him out of doing what he was doing), he would have. Anderson put the whole organization at significant risk over a relatively small community. Arcade is more intelligent than that (except in instances when he's your companion, in which case you can get him to dress in drag and kill innocent people with you if that's what you feel like doing).

I define a corrupt person as someone who firmly believes that the moral power of their position is such that it justifies any action, no matter how abhorrent. And that's why I view Anderson as being corrupt. Doesn't matter that he wasn't doing it for his own personal gain. He was willing to do what he did because of a dangerous sense of entitlement or righteousness which, in principal, doesn't make him all that different from Caesar.

I support The New California Republic!

They are the Largest Faction in terms of Population and land size.

They may not be perfect, (but what government is?) they are the closest to pre-war society yet known in Fallout. They are democratic, capitalist and I guess the word would be "humane" in their actions.

I have supported them since they were, The NCR and watched them grow.

The ending said the cloud went west. There is still the east.

@Silvester
The only way he could control that area is to use the Cloud, which would mean killing everybody else.

He cannot build a nation but he can kill the entire continent.



I find his action, although rash, acceptable. He cared for that community, worked to help them grow crops and then the necessary water was being diverted to other places.



I define a corrupt person as one who would turn a blind eye for money.