Wil you first character be male or female?

Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:42 am

Man! Doing Manly things with my Manly weapons! Man! Man I say!

What I find particularly worrisome is that many people claim they can't relate to a character of the opposite six. This claim seems to be particularly common among male gamers. Really, guys? Do you find it easier to relate to a talking, anthropomorphic lizard than a female human? Is this just some element of the phony machismo of gamer nerd culture, or are males really so lacking in simple empathy?

I don't think it's that big of a deal. I'm not a lizard, or a woman. What it is to be either one of those things is a thing that I can never truly understand. Beast races, Orcs, and elves of both sixes are intelligent creatures, but I cannot know what it is to be them anymore than I can know what it is to be anything but myself. Male humans are as close as it gets. Character that are too foreign are rarely fun to play in RPGs.

I dare to say, that both sixes are equal. :)

After reading some of these comments, you probably should.
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Ownie Zuliana
 
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:51 am

Male, always male.
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Ludivine Poussineau
 
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:27 am

My main is always a male Imperial, so I'll be a male again.
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Elizabeth Falvey
 
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:12 am

Man! Doing Manly things with my Manly weapons! Man! Man I say!


I don't think it's that big of a deal. I'm not a lizard, or a woman. What it is to be either one of those things is a thing that I can never truly understand. Beast races, Orcs, and elves of both sixes are intelligent creatures, but I cannot know what it is to be them anymore than I can know what it is to be anything but myself. Male humans are as close as it gets. Character that are too foreign are rarely fun to play in RPGs.


And you honestly consider females to be as foreign to you as Orcs and Elves? I'm not trying to be insulting. I think you should be able to play as whatever character you choose, but females aren't as alien as you think they are. We go to bed at night, we get up for work, we eat breakfast. We have goals we want to accomplish. I genuinely want to understand this attitude that many male gamers have of females being something akin to mythological beings.
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Post » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:23 pm

Male, because iam one and im never gonna play female.

Why do some guys play as a chick? Ive thought about it for a while.



Wouldn't know, but I don't want to judge. I always made male characters and mold them to look like me. Usually in the abs and muscles department it's always the same with mines anyway in the RPG world. I'm a sixy guy so I'd like to enjoy being immersed with a character that is good looking like myself.

NOTE: Trust me that is not me being cocky, it's truth and confidence lol.

Could have sworn this topic had been made already but again I will be Female since I am female


I searched and found nothing. There is a lot of race topics though.
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Post » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:19 pm

In my case, merely to see the new dialogue choices (60%) and a bit of pervyness (40%).

Some guys are insecure and like to see a female body (Generally the teen boys or guys who never matured), others have other reasons, they'd need to tell you themselves.

I love to do that, and I'm secure and healthy as it goes, and I play both sixes, just for RPing, and testing the character's feel in the new world.

And I do not think that you can generalize the reasons to simple facts like being unsecure.
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Post » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:38 pm

And you honestly consider females to be as foreign to you as Orcs and Elves? I'm not trying to be insulting. I think you should be able to play as whatever character you choose, but females aren't as alien as you think they are. We go to bed at night, we get up for work, we eat breakfast. We have goals we want to accomplish. I genuinely want to understand this attitude that many male gamers have of females being something akin to mythological beings.



believe me... to some men, females are mythological beings.. :D :D :D

Main Quest, probably male nord.. dunno yet, we'll see...
RP, i'll probably make 1254234634 characters of various six, race and class first.. some of those might "stick to my eye".
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:39 am

Male Battlemage first game, that is what i did in Oblivion and Morrowind. I kind of want to make a female assassin character after i do that. I do love the sneaking element in Oblivion, i made a assassin character just to do the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Quest. But i am always a male when i try and do my storyline character.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:04 am

Wouldn't know, but I don't want to judge. I always made male characters and mold them to look like me. Usually in the abs and muscles department it's always the same with mines anyway in the RPG world. I'm a sixy guy so I'd like to enjoy being immersed with a character that is good looking like myself.

NOTE: Trust me that is not me being cocky, it's truth and confidence lol.

I searched and found nothing. There is a lot of race topics though.

Nah the very fact that you brought it up is cocky... sounds a little insecure too imo.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:08 am

And you honestly consider females to be as foreign to you as Orcs and Elves? I'm not trying to be insulting. I think you should be able to play as whatever character you choose, but females aren't as alien as you think they are. We go to bed at night, we get up for work, we eat breakfast. We have goals we want to accomplish. I genuinely want to understand this attitude that many male gamers have of females being something akin to mythological beings.


Well, many male gamers simple prefer their females to be... simple six objects... proven by the mass of tasteless six mods.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:49 am

Nah the very fact that you brought it up is cocky... sounds a little insecure too imo.


When I speak about myself, people would make me a target because maybe they are possibly insecure with themselves. There is actually nothing wrong with being cocky if there is confidence. The note just states if anybody want to say I'm cocky, check yourself. I'll show if you want though, you just gotta PM me. I'm not going to hijack the thread.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:49 am

Male.

I've always played as a male, I've never seen the attraction in doing otherwise.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:05 am

Nah the very fact that you brought it up is cocky... sounds a little insecure too imo.


This :lmao:
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Post » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:16 pm

Wouldn't know, but I don't want to judge. I always made male characters and mold them to look like me. Usually in the abs and muscles department it's always the same with mines anyway in the RPG world. I'm a sixy guy so I'd like to enjoy being immersed with a character that is good looking like myself.

NOTE: Trust me that is not me being cocky, it's truth and confidence lol.



I searched and found nothing. There is a lot of race topics though.


No offense but if you have to post on the internet you look good :P ...

As for using the opposite six as a character, I don't understand why people need to think so much about it...maybe people just want to create different characters :shrug:
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Post » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:21 pm

This :lmao:

It makes me smile though. Guys here already brought up making their female characters sixy, but when I speak on making it to be my sixy self it's cocky. Double Standard? I am a cocky person, but thee is more confidence than cockyness and not shy to bring it to life when it's just on some forms you know? It was randomly brought up tho and it is true. Just makes me smile. :lmao: But hey it's my opinion among the opinion of many others. If I chose to do/say that I can. You can't laugh at the fact of it, because it only bring wonder to the people who do care.

Lady, don't be saying I look like a damn Khajiit, that's my first character. lol :brokencomputer:


No offense but if you have to post on the internet you look good :P ...

As for using the opposite six as a character, I don't understand why people need to think so much about it...maybe people just want to create different characters :shrug:


I know man, I know. It's ok, it's the internet. Put it on your facebook. :P

I agree with you though, but for some it's a different thing and for others it's something to look at, but personally I think people would have to ask each other why. Everybody has a different story.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:37 am

Male, because iam one and im never gonna play female.

Why do some guys play as a chick? Ive thought about it for a while.


Because it can be interesting and rewarding to play as a female, asumming the developers has done their job and made sure the experience differs atleast a little, which is sadly mostly not the case in Bethesdas games but Fallout 3 was an improvement in this regard so who know. It's a roleplaying game after all, you don't HAVE to base all your characters on yourself.

Why do men who only play as their own gender feel the need to insult men who dosn't?

And why do men who prefer to play as women feel the need to defend themself with sayings like "if i have to play a game in 100 hours, i would rather look at a womans ass"? Seriously, i have lost count on the times i've heard that one.

And why don't women feel the same need to insult everyone who didn't chose the same as them?

Oh and korvkioscar, the last part of my post wasn't directed at you in particular. :smile:
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:26 am

Dunmer Male! [censored] yeah!
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Misogyny ftw
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:50 am

I remember making a Female, Avalonian paladin who used 2handed weapons in Dark Age of Camelot just because I thought the idea of a bone thin runway model bashing things with huge weapons was hillarious. I got hit on by so many guys though that I switched back to male characters, but otherwise I could not care less about gender.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:24 am

And you honestly consider females to be as foreign to you as Orcs and Elves? I'm not trying to be insulting. I think you should be able to play as whatever character you choose, but females aren't as alien as you think they are. We go to bed at night, we get up for work, we eat breakfast. We have goals we want to accomplish. I genuinely want to understand this attitude that many male gamers have of females being something akin to mythological beings.

Really? That is what you got out of my post? :eek:
So be it! Overzealous response in 3..2..1..
Every person who I am not is ultimately unknowable. I can never know what it is to be a woman. I can never have the experience. Ever. I have been a male for a couple of decades, and as such I have a template for what it is to be a man. Does it represent every male? Of course not. But it's better than having no idea at all. Had I been born female with my exact same personality (minus all the testosterone induced things) then I would not be the person I am now. The difference would be more than gender. Infinitely more. I would have had different experiences. Had I met all of the people I have ever come across as a female, they would have acted differently. My male friends may have hit on me (yikes). The girls I've dated wouldn't have been interested in me sixually( with one possible exception) and they would have shown a slightly different side of their character, while hiding another part. The same can be said of my life experience were I another man. Or of another race or faith or social class or nationality or time period. The best I can do in an attempt to relate to other people is to assume that they are just as human as I am. Doing this, however, does not tell me who they are as a consciousness. Why do they feel the way they do? What, in more than words, are they experiencing when they say "I love you" to another? These things and everything else about a person go so deeply into their personal memories and biology that I can never hope to fully understand them. When you get down to it, the only person you really know is yourself. And maybe not even that. No one can ever truly know what it is to be someone else, no matter who they are. So yes females are human. Yes females have wants and needs and emotions and thoughts. Yes females are equal to males in worth and the amount of respect and understanding they deserve. But I can project my experience as a human male (the only experience I have) onto a 3D representation of a human male more easily than I can a 3D depiction of a human female.

And when it comes to beast races, elves and Orcs I am completely separated from the character save for basic human kindness and understanding, which is really the best I can do for any one who is not me (see text mass above). Human female characters are, well, human, but that does not give me much insight into what it would be like to be one of them. The basic empathy afforded to females because of their humanity has to be given to all characters if they are to be seen as aware and intelligent. But, because I am not female, I lose the bit of added experience that makes human males easier to relate to. All I have to add to female humans is what I have seen of female humans, which, when you want to imagine being a character, is not enough to create an individual that you can imagine being from a first person point of view. I see all other characters as intelligent beings that, within the context of the game, are equal in worth to my character. They are just as sentient, and just as worthy of respect whether they are male, female, scaly, furry, tall, short, magical, mundane, old, young or any other pair of adjectives fit to describe any entity that is self-aware. But, all that I know is what it is to be the particular flavor of human male that is me. Because of this, in the realm of the Elder Scrolls, the sequence of 1s and 0s that I can most easily project my life experience onto and, by so doing, imagine what the character would feel, is a human male.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:05 am

I always like to play male, cause I am.

I'm being Nord cause were in Skyrim. Possibly Argonian if we get to Black Marsh.

Cause I want my character to fit in the population/culture.

Then I start playing a breton around my second.

Then from there I play whatever.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:50 am

Really? That is what you got out of my post? :eek:
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Every person who I am not is ultimately unknowable. I can never know what it is to be a woman. I can never have the experience. Ever. I have been a male for a couple of decades, and as such I have a template for what it is to be a man. Does it represent every male? Of course not. But it's better than having no idea at all. Had I been born female with my exact same personality (minus all the testosterone induced things) then I would not be the person I am now. The difference would be more than gender. Infinitely more. I would have had different experiences. Had I met all of the people I have ever come across as a female, they would have acted differently. My male friends may have hit on me (yikes). The girls I've dated wouldn't have been interested in me sixually( with one possible exception) and they would have shown a slightly different side of their character, while hiding another part. The same can be said of my life experience were I another man. Or of another race or faith or social class or nationality or time period. The best I can do in an attempt to relate to other people is to assume that they are just as human as I am. Doing this, however, does not tell me who they are as a consciousness. Why do they feel the way they do? What, in more than words, are they experiencing when they say "I love you" to another? These things and everything else about a person go so deeply into their personal memories and biology that I can never hope to fully understand them. When you get down to it, the only person you really know is yourself. And maybe not even that. No one can ever truly know what it is to be someone else, no matter who they are. So yes females are human. Yes females have wants and needs and emotions and thoughts. Yes females are equal to males in worth and the amount of respect and understanding they deserve. But I can project my experience as a human male (the only experience I have) onto a 3D representation of a human male more easily than I can a 3D depiction of a human female.

And when it comes to beast races, elves and Orcs I am completely separated from the character save for basic human kindness and understanding, which is really the best I can do for any one who is not me (see text mass above). Human female characters are, well, human, but that does not give me much insight into what it would be like to be one of them. The basic empathy afforded to females because of their humanity has to be given to all characters if they are to be seen as aware and intelligent. But, because I am not female, I lose the bit of added experience that makes human males easier to relate to. All I have to add to female humans is what I have seen of female humans, which, when you want to imagine being a character, is not enough to create an individual that you can imagine being from a first person point of view. I see all other characters as intelligent beings that, within the context of the game, are equal in worth to my character. They are just as sentient, and just as worthy of respect whether they are male, female, scaly, furry, tall, short, magical, mundane, old, young or any other pair of adjectives fit to describe any entity that is self-aware. But, all that I know is what it is to be the particular flavor of human male that is me. Because of this, in the realm of the Elder Scrolls, the sequence of 1s and 0s that I can most easily project my life experience onto and, by so doing, imagine what the character would feel, is a human male.


Good old straight talk.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:38 am

Arguments on gender identity aside, I always play as the six that looks better on average. In Oblivion, I found that I liked the appearance of the females best, and so I could never bring myself to make a male character. Some games are the opposite, though, like Dragon Age. All the women felt so bland and supermodelly, so I always went with male characters. Here's hoping Skyrim has a nice balance, so I won't just be reaching for the nicest thing.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:49 am

Good old straight talk.

Well I'm not a fan of having sixism (or any other ism) put in where it does not exist because of someone's pessimistic expectations. I don't think there is any way to twist the words in that book I just published, so hopefully the whole thing is over.

Though maybe I could have just used a few bullet points...
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:41 am

I find it seems to be a lot harder in games to use looks to gain sympathy from the opposite gender than in real life.... but that may just be my personal experience.
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