For those unfamiliar, thu'um was mentioned in the Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition, in the section on Skyrim.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-skyrim

Now, look at Dovahkiin, the Dragonborn - he appears to have something coming out of his mouth, almost like a breath of fire. However, giving the setting, could it be that the Dovahkiin is using thu'um?

Thu'um and its effects would be an interesting addition to TES's magicka schools - calling to people could be similar in implementation as conjuration, moving with a shout like mark/recall, sharpening blades a buff to Armorer skill, shouting itself a 'force push' type destruction attack. Or, perhaps it could be an entirely new school of magic, with these effects as spells within it?

I can't find any lore on whether or not shouting is limited to Nords. Regardless, I hope we'll see it in some form:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-skyrim
Could we visit this college for a basic introduction to thu'um, then seekout the masters for a greater understanding and ability?

Okay, so you're basically saying that he is shooting fire out his nose? I'm guessing he haz un mustachio.

Hopefully not. Real Thu'um is too OP, and reserved for Nords. I'd prefer it kept to powerful NPCs.

It certainly seems that, given the setting, the Way of the Tongue could be implemented into the game.

I was reading about it when I clicked on this thread, and I would certainly like to see it in game.

Only if I can quote lines from Dune.

sounds a lot like barbarian war chants and such from Diablo 2, except for the moving to where you shouted and talking to people from hundreds of miles away. If they do put it in, which I personally think would be awesome, it just kinda sounds like short duration buffs and low damage aoe stunning type shouts.
But I doubt they will put it in at all.

I hope it is incorporated somewhat, but I doubt it will be a magic because I've always considered it to be Nord only (thats what I thought from "Children of the Sky"). Maybe just as part of the main quest you train your ability to use the voice, but since you are not a "natural" so to speak you can only use it in this one specific giant battle and afterwards it was so powerful that it rendered you unable to use it anymore. Anyway like I said I hope its in Skyrim somewhere, that book alone is one of the reasons I love Nords so much and why the name of every class I make on a Nord is "Skychild" (Child of the Sky doesn't fit)

Actually I was just thinking maybe the greybeards use it in some mega-battle, and it is some kind of epic sacrifice because using their voice makes them unable to hear the wind or the spirit of the wind or whatever it exactly is that they are listening to.

One more thought if the player does use it then it could be a greater power that even though it can only be used once a day it completely drains your fatigue

I really hope for some epic battle cutscenes of Thu'um vs. Dragon... but yeah, not for the player in normal gameplay, its too overpowered.

Since it is a powerful art, it would have to have limitations, obviously. Maybe at first it is a Greater Power type thing (once a day), but as you get more training in it (considering it as a school of magic), you get spells and lesser powers as well.

Definitely not. Too powerful.

I don't understand how its OP, maybe I'll have to read more about it but we already have some uber spells and such, in Morrowind I used to clear out rooms full of enemies with one spell, Oblivion took a few sometimes but I was usually never in any real danger of needing melee if I went pure mage. it just sounds like an alternative to traditional ES spells. And we don't have to become so adept at it that we are on the same level as the guys that can't even speak I mean in the other games we aren't even on the same level as most the wizards we read about.

If it was in... maybe the Xbox 360 version would support Kinect voice commands.

Don't see how it's too powerful. Not ever Th'um user can DESTROY EVERYTHING by talking, like the greybeards. I would like to see it as a game specific school of magic, add a little spice to the title. As for what if your an other race, the OP is always special in some way,

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I hope not. It would ruin the whole idea of them. We weren't able to become a Blind Moth Priest, so I don't think we should become Tongues. What's the point of having unique, interesting characters if we're able to become them as well?

My worst nightmare is not only being able to use it, but being able to use it no matter what race you are. That would be such a depressing break in lore...

I'm hoping we get to see it in action, but not actually use it, unless our character is a Nord and goes through a hell of a lot of trouble to do so.

If it's usable by the PC then it will likely be in a very limited form, for whatever excuse is given.

[EDIT]: Yes, I would like to be able to have these power in the game.

There are times RL that, when I get really angry or am asserting my authoritah, that I can shout so loud I literally make people fall over with fear/surprise.


It's fun. :biggrin:

Nord only power yes? Also it would have to be regulated in some way so your not just yelling all the time.

The content of the Pocket Guide certainly seem to suggest that only Nords can harness Thu'um:

However, retcons (or quest chains around it) aren't impossible, and if an Orc can be Nerevar reborn...

As to being overpowered, this could be said of any school of magicka - casting an enormous fireball, syphoning an enemy's hp, summoning Xivilai. However, like these schools, we know there are different levels to thu'um - from the fops in the Imperial College to those that can break down gateways with other uses to the men who must live in isolation.

One other thing I noticed when looking at the carving of the Dragonborn - that's one very unusually shaped shield he's holding to protect himself from fire. He's crouching somewhat, meaning it curves around to protect his head/upper body whilst also straightening and reaching the floor. How does he stand up with it? Perhaps it's not a shield, except in the metaphorical sense. Thu'um would be an excellent weapon to use against a fire breathing enemy, wouldn't it? We know that fire is at least involved - from "...when the truth finally dawns, It dawns in fire!", the dragon's breath and the burninated peasants. Could he be using thu'um to protect himself against the effects of the dragon's firebreath?

Best. Response. Ever.

I would also like to join the Moth so that I may divine The Elder Scrolls.




I've been waiting to put those two together for I don't know how long.

"The bunneh is the Kwisatz Haderach, Baron!"

If they can give the Neraverine immunity to disease and all sorts of other perks then why not allow you to be a Tongue :blink: thought . . . Wouldn't that be similar to a dragons breath? Besides that it really isn't mage/fighter/thief bond so I think any one could do it. I bet you have to become one in the main quest and you can't kill a certain or all dragon(s) without it! Maybe not Who knows but using thu'um would be awesome. To get past that whole it is a Nord only thing, well the hero's of the Elder Scrolls have always been special exceptions and I don't think it is really a racial thing but mainly they don't teach it to outsiders. Stupid xenophobes.

:facepalm: The prophecy was so vague, a three legged guar could have been the Nerevarine. It wasn't a retcon or anything.

Thu'um, on the other hand, has some established lore that specifies its power and users. The idea of being able to level a city with just saying "hi" sounds too overpowered.

It's possible that 'The Way of the Voice' will be a magic skill, or that's how you perform the magic. That's just what I think though.

My point was it would be unexpected. Given what little we know about thu'um (the vital question - can it be taught to other races - is also pretty vague), it is not inconceivable that it could be used in some form by a non-Nord.