will argonians be in it

Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:05 pm

One question, if they're cold-blooded, shouldn't they be affected by cold and fire damage more? Don't know if they were in the older games but they weren't in Oblivion or Morrowind. (affected by cold and fire that is)
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:22 pm

One question, if they're cold-blooded, shouldn't they be affected by cold and fire damage more? Don't know if they were in the older games but they weren't in Oblivion or Morrowind. (affected by cold and fire that is)

convenience i guess
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:21 am

Argonians are reptiles riiight? is it really neccessary for them to be cold blooded??? dinosaurs were reptiles too and there were arctic dinosaurs too and many scientists believe that dinosaurs were warmblooded so cant argonians who are also reptilian be warmbloded?
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:30 am

Argonians are reptiles riiight? is it really neccessary for them to be cold blooded??? dinosaurs were reptiles too and there were arctic dinosaurs too and many scientists believe that dinosaurs were warmblooded so cant argonians who are also reptilian be warmbloded?


They are warm blooded.
Really all evidence supports this.

It is a fantasy world. Argonians can survive is cold temperatures. The end. :shrug:
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:19 am

Argonians are reptiles riiight? is it really neccessary for them to be cold blooded??? dinosaurs were reptiles too and there were arctic dinosaurs too and many scientists believe that dinosaurs were warmblooded so cant argonians who are also reptilian be warmbloded?

debatable

the only way to find out is to ask beth
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:35 am

Unfortunately for us, the definition of reptiles doesn't hold in a fantasy world. My suggestion: it's a game, you have ten races, play them as you will and enjoy it. The game is the lore and there is no reason to argue over something this trivial.


Then the definition you looked up is wrong.
Im not sure about the present day, but I am 100% positive that in earths history there have been warm blooded reptiles.
Some dinosaurs for example. We know they had means of controlling their body temperature due to their sheer size. They must have had a way to control temperature and another to deliver extra oxygen to the blood, or they couldnt have existed at all.
Its not a big evolutionary advantage if your extremities get gangrenous and die off.
Furthermore, some members of the Selachii (sharks) have developed controlled body temperature and internal gestation (they give live birth.)
These tricks arent exclusively mamallian and you cannot define an order of animals that way. You cant say: it has this, therefore its not a reptile.
There are even flies that give live birth.

In the end, these distinctions are mostly about genetics.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:29 am

Surely they won't be as common as Nords or anything, since Skyrim's cold really isn't they're climate of choice. But rest assured, they will still be around in the game. You can't have an Elder Scrolls game without the 10 races being present.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:48 am

Quote from Wiki:

"Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids..."

Argonians are cold-blooded. If you play Morrowind as a warm-blooded race argonians will often call you warm-blood (suggesting that they are cold-blooded).

If you look at Morrowind`s Solstheim expansion, you can see ONLY one argonian on the entire island. And he`s always asking for a warm pair of boots. It`s obvious a cold weather means less argonians.

However if you look at the pictures from Skyrim, you can see that not everything is covered with snow. Some places are warmer than the others. That`s where you`ll find some argonians.

Thank you!, about a month ago on a races topic i said that argonians are cold blooded and everyone got all defense (some offensive) and pretty much attacked me saying that nowhere does it say that argonians are cold blooded, wish you were their to prove them wrong
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:01 am

They are a humanoid race with reptilian traits. So they are a little of both. Mammal and Reptile
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:01 am

Then the definition you looked up is wrong.
Im not sure about the present day, but I am 100% positive that in earths history there have been warm blooded reptiles.
Some dinosaurs for example. We know they had means of controlling their body temperature due to their sheer size. They must have had a way to control temperature and another to deliver extra oxygen to the blood, or they couldnt have existed at all.
Its not a big evolutionary advantage if your extremities get gangrenous and die off.
Furthermore, some members of the Selachii (sharks) have developed controlled body temperature and internal gestation (they give live birth.)
These tricks arent exclusively mamallian and you cannot define an order of animals that way. You cant say: it has this, therefore its not a reptile.
There are even flies that give live birth.

In the end, these distinctions are mostly about genetics.


Honestly, I agree with you, but It doesn't even matter what scientific/historical evidence there is to back up something like this. This is kind of a pointless argument, because Argonians have always been in TES, and they obviously will be in Skyrim, whether it makes sense scientifically or not.
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:34 pm

"Argonians are out." said Todd Howard in a interview, "They just didn't fit with what we were doing, so we had to cut them out." After the interview, Todd went back to the office to find out that it was burned to the ground......

http://s3.ecetia.com/files/2009/02/todd-howard-bethesda.jpg
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:08 pm

Quote from Wiki:

"Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids..."

Argonians are cold-blooded. If you play Morrowind as a warm-blooded race argonians will often call you warm-blood (suggesting that they are cold-blooded).

If you look at Morrowind`s Solstheim expansion, you can see ONLY one argonian on the entire island. And he`s always asking for a warm pair of boots. It`s obvious a cold weather means less argonians.

However if you look at the pictures from Skyrim, you can see that not everything is covered with snow. Some places are warmer than the others. That`s where you`ll find some argonians.



Where did you get that quote?
I cannot find it on the UESP wiki or the normal wikipedia.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:31 am

Dictionary entry overview: What does reptile mean?
? REPTILE (noun)
The noun REPTILE has 1 sense:
1. any cold-blooded vertebrate of the class Reptilia including tortoises turtles snakes lizards alligators crocodiles and extinct forms

Argonians are the reptilian denizens of Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Argonian

Edit. adding link


Dinosaurs were reptiles, and some of them were not cold blooded. Maybe they have some problems to resist the cold, but they can live in Skyrim.

Then the definition you looked up is wrong.
Im not sure about the present day, but I am 100% positive that in earths history there have been warm blooded reptiles.
Some dinosaurs for example. We know they had means of controlling their body temperature due to their sheer size. They must have had a way to control temperature and another to deliver extra oxygen to the blood, or they couldnt have existed at all.
Its not a big evolutionary advantage if your extremities get gangrenous and die off.
Furthermore, some members of the Selachii (sharks) have developed controlled body temperature and internal gestation (they give live birth.)
These tricks arent exclusively mamallian and you cannot define an order of animals that way. You cant say: it has this, therefore its not a reptile.
There are even flies that give live birth.

In the end, these distinctions are mostly about genetics.


I have asked you once, but I must insist. Have you studied Biology or something? That's impressive.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:31 am

Where did you get that quote?
I cannot find it on the UESP wiki or the normal wikipedia.

I couldn't find it either. He's either lying or the wiki he uses is wrong.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:58 am

I couldn't find it either. He's either lying or the wiki he uses is wrong.

i found some of it

Lore:Black Marsh - UESPWiki
Jump to Argonians?: Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids. They are known to be intelligent, quick, and agile, which causes ...
www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Black_Marsh

Edit. found it
Argonians
Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids. They are known to be intelligent, quick, and agile, which causes them most frequently to choose magic or stealth-oriented lifestyles. At the close of the fourth century of the third era, the Argonians commonly encountered in Tamriel were very similar to Dunmer and appeared humanoid. In Vvardenfell only thirty years later, the Argonians found resemble amphibians more than humans, with digitigrade legs.[24]
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:21 am

I couldn't find it either. He's either lying or the wiki he uses is wrong.


Found it:)
Its on lore: black marsh, on the UESP wiki.

Atm Im making an edit to the talk page there questioning the validity of the statement.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:29 am

i found some of it

Lore:Black Marsh - UESPWiki
Jump to Argonians?: Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids. They are known to be intelligent, quick, and agile, which causes ...
www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Black_Marsh


In that case, they must have some way to balance their temperature. Or good, mamooth fur sweters. The thing is that they are in.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:10 am

i found some of it

Lore:Black Marsh - UESPWiki
Jump to Argonians?: Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids. They are known to be intelligent, quick, and agile, which causes ...
www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Black_Marsh

Edit. found it
Argonians
Argonians are a cold-blooded beast race of reptilian humanoids. They are known to be intelligent, quick, and agile, which causes them most frequently to choose magic or stealth-oriented lifestyles. At the close of the fourth century of the third era, the Argonians commonly encountered in Tamriel were very similar to Dunmer and appeared humanoid. In Vvardenfell only thirty years later, the Argonians found resemble amphibians more than humans, with digitigrade legs.[24]

No links to any proof or whatsoever. Any person could have written that there.
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:12 pm

Even if they are cold-blooded perhaps Bethesda has another definition of cold-blooded than in reality
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:45 am

yes but not which 10 races


:mellow:
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:17 pm

I couldn't find it either. He's either lying or the wiki he uses is wrong.

I couldn't find anything on them being cold-blooded either, this is what I found:
Argonians are the reptilian denizens of Black Marsh. Little is known and less is understood about them. Years of defending their borders have made the Argonians experts in guerrilla warfare, and their natural abilities make them equally at home in water and on land. They are well-suited for the treacherous swamps of their homeland, and have developed natural immunities to the diseases and poisons that have doomed many would-be explorers into the region. Their seemingly expressionless faces belie a calm intelligence, and many Argonians are well-versed in the magical arts. Others rely on stealth or steel to survive, and their natural agility makes them adept at either. They are, in general, a reserved people, slow to trust and hard to know. Yet they are fiercely loyal, and will fight to the death for those they have named as friends.


This flatly spells out that they are able to easily survive on both land and in water, they are expert guerrillas, they are resistant to disease and toxins, and are good mages, thieves and decent warriors.

Nothing on them being cold-blooded though.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:37 am

No links to any proof or whatsoever. Any person could have written that there.

i nearly forgot you can edit it

its still debatable
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:34 am

Oh well. Warm Blooded or not. They can survive the cold. :shrug:
Maybe they will make it clear in Skyrim.
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Post » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:57 am

Hmm, this thread is pathetic, even worse than the toenails-thread. Come on, if everyone says they're in why would you try to prove ALL OF US are wrong? Think.
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Post » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:14 pm

Hmm, this thread is pathetic, even worse than the toenails-thread. Come on, if everyone says they're in why would you try to prove ALL OF US are wrong? Think.

if you are talking to me i was not trying to prove you wrong

ps.im tired im going to bed its 1:31am were i am
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