sorry for grammer i ment that obsidian is making this game better beacuse bthesida already set the basics and decoded everything for them so i belive they are only takeing 2 years because they are tweaking and adding things to it. my bad on the confusion

i dont understand are u really saying that fallout 3 was a bad game?

They didn't flee for obsidian, they created obsidian.
And there are several people that worked on the old games at obsidian.
Feargus Urquhart
Chris Parker
Darren L. Monahan
Chris Avellone
Chris Jones
J.E Sawyer
Are some of the people working there.

dont be worried trust me he just said that to get people worried. look at it this way bethesda took fallout 3 and took 4 years too make it and they did very good on it. now obsidian is taking 2 years to make fallout new vegas even better fixing all the proplems in fallout 3 and every game does have proplems. now fallout new vegas is going to be fallout 3 with better basically everything. and then when fallout 4 comes out it should be like fallout new vegas except with fixing the proplem that nv will have and making fallout 4 even better. u see the trend dont trust what that fool said belive this because this is whats happening

Some random guy on the internet, says he doesnt have faith in the 'new' team making the game, and its worried you? Wow, you're easily worried.
Bear in mind, he's not an expert and hes given absolutely no reasons why Obsidian cant do a good job. Though there are plenty reasons flying round why they should, including the fact that their team contains some true veterans of the RPG genre.

My magic 8 ball says both games will find their spots in Fallout and gaming history.

In other words, I loved FO:3 and believe I will love FO:NV.

*runs to get the Ouija board to ask.

I didn't really like fallout 3 at all, it had many flaws. But now that some of the developers of fallout 1+2 I'm thinking this game will be vastly superior to F3.
Fallout 1 + Fallout 2 FTW!

KotoR 2 was the first game Obsidian made and they only had 9 months to do it. Plus Obsidian wanted to make a patch that restored much of the cut content but that idea was axed by Lucas Arts.

Yeah, like Softnerd said - I didn't think Alpha Protocol was necessarily as bad as the critics were making it out to be. I'm working on a second playthrough, right after the first (something I rarely do, actually,) so it can't be all that bad, at least as far as my own opinion is concerned. Like was said, the graphics lacked any real "wow" factor, but at the same time I didn't think they were terribly horrendous or anything; certainly not as bad as it was made out to be. They were moderate, I think - which, by definition, sort of means it's not "terrible." And sure, the animations weren't great, but they did remind me a lot of Fallout 3's animations (so it's not like it's going to be a step down from the standard already set, in that regard...)

Anyway, I think Alpha Protocol's particular saving graces point to where I would hope to see improvements to the Fallout series - good dialog, choices with telling (and often severe, not to mention unexpected at times) consequences, and (despite some pitfalls) a nice focus on the RPG aspects of a real-time game. That's the stuff that kept me going through Alpha Protocol - what I've taken away from it, and what I'll remember the game itself for. And those are the things where I think it'd be neat to see improvement with New Vegas. Not to say that Bethesda has any "lack" in those areas, necessarily - but if you improve upon something "good," you get "great," which I always think is a good thing.

And of course - only time will tell. In the end we'll just have to wait and see...

You are aware that New Vegas is going to be of the same exact vein as Fallout 3, right? A Mercedes with a new coat of paint and a dire tune-up.
*Crosses fingers that the Isometric View dies like everyone on the Hindenberg*

Sorry, but the blame for that one lays squarely on lucasarts, and nobody else.

Sadly it is.
I just hope they'll create an isometric turnbased mode in future releases for us old fans aswell.

The main problems with FO3 were under the hood. That is, spotty worldbuilding, bad dialog, and bugs. The sort of things you don't really come out until you're deep in the game.

Of those, Obsidian has never flubbed the first two, and despite their reputation for bugs, I've never actually seen many bugs even in the notoriously buggy KOTOR2.

Edit: Also, the worldbuilding we've seen thus far has been very much improved compared to FO3. Example: Why NCR currency is worth less than Caesar's coin and caps. Answer: Because the Brotherhood attacked the NCR treasuries and devalued it.

Another example: Caps. Particularly, why everyone uses them. (They're backed by the merchants of the caravans with each cap equaling a bottle of water. Also, because NCR currency is devauled due to the example above.)



Diablo III. Your move, Lister!

Geez, I hope not. I think I said this somewhere before...You go from controlling the guy directly from inside his head, the freedom of movement and action to...controlling a...chess piece.



Never played Diablo, so I have no investment. I was a console kid.

Well I dont think it could be the same or worse, I think it has to be better, considering the fact that they are only going to increase the gameplay and add newer and better features.
Weapons modding, iron sights, new, more and better weapons, the addition of Vegas, more (hopefully) settlements and towns and NPCs, and a whole new game world are the things I cannot wait for. The Companion Wheel has been talked up lots by Obsidian, but I don't know why. It's a decent little addition which will make things a bit more convenient, but I don't see why they are always saying "It's one of our fav features" or "We're really really proud of it" etc. I mean it's good, but not a whole new ingenious idea.

Inside his head is a particularly apt turn of phrase, considering that you can at no time look down and see his legs or torso.



As long as Diablo III is the massive success it's almost assuredly going to be, isometric (or rather, 3d top-down) perspective will be around for a long time to come.

I mean, hell, Diablo II is still on store shelves today for almost full price.

Still. Fallout 3 offered from the others lacked...The abilility to see the world through your characters eyes. The Third Person says to me "I am this character, I will live his actions and his choices. He is my avatar in this series of events". The Isometric View says to me "I control this character. He is my tool, my instrument. A mere figurine to move about a rigid grid."

Agreed. I think Fallout New Vegas needs to carve its own path, and it'll do fine as long as it keeps the spirit of the gameplay intact. Both games should be valuable for Fallout Fans.

no its more like an expansion of fallout 2

I disagree with both views, this is Van Buren come to life. And yes, KOTOR 2 is squarely LucasArts, and Lucas has [censored]d his franchise out like nobodies business. They finally made a Star Wars game that wasn't complete crap and couldn't wait to squeeze out the next one. Too bad there's not even a shiny glint in the stinking pile that is the prequels.

Anyway, will it be better? Typically, games move upward on sequels. Typically, movies move down on sequels. There are exceptions to both, but generally: ME:2 is better than ME:1, Drake's fortune 2 is vastly superior to its predecessor, Army of Two:40 days is better than the original, (and another game with a crappy ending), so forth. That's because once you figure out what's right with a game, you leave it and work on the stuff that's broken. So we have in FO:NV a game with the basics down solid that needs a heavy tune-up in areas like character and skill development, level pacing, quests, dialogue, and so forth.

Probably the biggest flaw in FO:III is that it lacks all the irony and rich humor in FO:I and FO:II. The Wasteland is just plain depressing.

I prefered KOTOR2 to KOTOR, I think they were both good games but KOTOR2 had better classes and more enjoyable equipment upgrading, arguably this is because Obsidian could improve upon what Bioware had already made and thus they were destined to be better. The one big glaring error in KOTOR2 is the ending pretty much cut off the storyline of all your companions and jumped straight to "the final battle" when it appeared the story should have gone on to a few more quests and planets, had Obsidian been given the extra time to finish KOTOR2 with the same quality as the earlier part of the game I would probably rate it as one of my top 10 games ever.

Its worth pointing out I played KOTOR2 then sought out KOTOR which might have impacted my enjoyment of the first once since I already got used to the "improvements" Obsidian made. Still to enjoy both games now they are getting on for 6-7 years old now is a testament to how good they would have been when released.....its just a shame they were not widely played at the time.

is IS NOT and expansion. its just a continuation of the fallout game itself. think of gta 3 then it was followed up with vice city. its like that its a new game its just not called fallout 4. also for the person who said it could have been done as a DLC....well there are more missions they said it will take over a hundred hours and the map is the same size or bigger. so no its not a DLC do some reasearch people! there is so much info about the game now!!!!

I just cant wait....endo of

that is what we hope
i think its looking better for see things like drunk people look drunk cos they stagger around
dancing that was nicked from mods people made for fallout 3
i think a lot has come from mods from fallout 3

i don,t think it will be so good it will change gaming like god of war or halo did
but it will be some interesting fun to play
but i hope Obsidian don,t muck it up like the others games they done

I cant even give a answer yet. The only way to truly know is play the game... Only 3 and a half more months.


I am just hoping that Obsidian knows how much they have riding on this game for a lot of people, it would be such a privilege to make a Fallout game, so I'm sure Beth definitely has faith in obsid. Just remember around 4.7 million people own F3 that could be a lot of upset fans. Personally, if they mess this up i wouldn't get another title with their name on it. Harsh i know... but, seriously don't mess up Fallout. :batman:

Edit: I do have faith in Obsidian. This is just constructive criticism.