i do not think any of us as a clear idea on what the game actually plays like or know anything about the story lines

we ve seen some new mechanics for crafting and how the game looks but that is all

that they done away with that terrible abusive nonsenseical skillpoint system and replaced it with something new, we do not know the details of is a good thing ,

and please do not start that ' fallout 1 has skills any game after that is not a truz fallout game " debate

because that is just BS games evolve gamers evolve and technology evolve

Obv a joke

Jesus can't anyone ever have an opinion based on their actual likes and dislikes? It always has to be because someone else did this or because it was already like that. No. I actually like the skill system the way it is and I don't want it simplified and made easier just because there are people out there too dumb to figure out how it works.

Depends how you state it. You already declared FO4 as the "burned game" with only a tiny knowledge and not even playing it. Hard to take you here serious.

Good luck playing the game with 0 in all specials then, probably have to run around nvde (zero str so you may not be able to even move while wearing your undies!) babbeling like an idiot (zero int) and running for your life from things as harmless as a pre nuke feild mouse(no HP because no endurance!) just dont trip (0 Agility) and good luck making freinds (zero charisma) but then you will probably die from a bird feather imbeding in your skull as the nukes goes off (0 Luck and remember you have 0 Hp from haveing 0 Endurance) as you run around witlessly babeling in front of the Guards while nvde (did not get your paperwork from the guy who was going to run it up to the vualt, so they dont realise your suposed to be in the vualt. oh and hey your probably a bloody mess so the guard there will probably blow you away. but hey you are the one who wants to live with the consequences of your actions!

If you've actually been around the Fallout community you would know that Fallout 2 gets criticized for its stupid [censored] all the time. The difference is that beneath the crap Fallout 2 was really just a bigger and often better Fallout 1.

Fallout 3 on the other hand wasn't much like the original Fallout games. If you really believe the only reason the original Fallout fanbase didn't enjoy a completely different type of game is because they have an irrational hatred for Bethesda you're not giving this a lot of thought.

Why? We all know Bethesda's track record with these games. Whether you like the things they do to them or not, you have to admit they tend to be heading in a certain direction with their games. Is it unreasonable to say that some of the footage from E3 might serve as evidence of that direction? Oh and for the record, I never 'declared' anything. I simply posed a question.

Yeah I know I am not a member of the elitist club because I like FO1, FO2, FO3, NV & Tactics all for different reasons. There isn't much to give a thought reading all that nonsense. But no need to repeat myself.

Actually it'd be nice if you could actually do that... Not all the other stuff but having one in all SPECIAL.

Without any thought and any reason sure just being funny I know. How is the campaign going this time? Well?

If the elitist club is the group of people capable of figuring out that the reason a fan of one type of game may not like a very different type of game may not be due to bias against the developer but because he doesn't like the type of game they make then yes I guess you are not a part of it.

What?

To make a game as bad as BoS? That'll be quite a feat. Almost impossible.

As cynical as I am of F4, it certainly won't be a bad game. Not a good Fallout game, sure, but it'll still be a good game.

Pretty much this.

I might add many fans who have been playing these games for a long time are perfectly capable of moving with change.

The 'stick in the mud' mentality is one of outlook, not age.

Yeah sorry I know I am not intelligent enough for this elitist circle. I know. I am ashamed of myself.

There is this difference between an unkillable character and a character that you don't get to kill. The former one is a game mechanic where you actually shot with no effect, while the latter is the game story that didn't even provide the chance to shot ( because that character was only present in a cinematic / prologue scene )

Well, let's see just how many negative things I've seen so far and how many positive things

Positive:

* I can wear a dress as a male character.

* Slim vault suit

* Power Armor that looks like a tank.

Negative:

* Essential NPC's make a return, including the dog.

* Backstory is yet again forced on you, except this time it is far worse than Fallout 3 and even 'more' limiting.

* Skills are gone in the traditional sense.

* I've seen a bunch of stupid designs in the trailer, like a wind up laser rifle and a boat with rocket engines on it.

* More Sims elements now with more tower defense!

* Jetpacks can be used while wearing power armor and wielding a minigun.

* Dialogue is gone, replaced by the far inferior dialogue wheel.

* That feral ghouls are back, at all.

* Personal flying taxi, the vertibird.

* Ghoul pirate, because a robot politician wasn't enough in Fallout 3.

* Action-oriented gameplay.

* Voiced protagonist.

As a Fallout game, apart from a few aesthetics I see absolutely nothing to be excited for.

As a game on its own merits, it looks pretty fun.

But what I want out of Fallout is Fallout, not whatever 'that' is that is calling itself "Fallout" 4.

So to me, yeah, I'm fairly certain that Fallout 4 will be The Burned Game II Electric Boogalo.

And I'm trying to keep an open mind here but I just can't accept a lot of the things I've seen so far.

I'm holding out hope that their design decisions for a voiced protagonist and more strict background in order to create a stronger narrative actually pays off and we get a good story out of it. Basically, if the gameplay is atrocious for a Fallout game and subpar at best as an RPG maybe at least the story and lore will be good behind it. But considering Bethesda's track record with these things I'm not holding my breath.

Thats even worse!!1 it was a joke and im not funny

It's the same battle everywhere, old Fallout vs new Fallout, old Star Wars vs new Star Wars, old Star Trek vs new Star Trek, old Metallica vs new Metallica, old Halo vs new Halo, old Testament vs new Testament...FO4 is going to be phenomenal for millions and abysmal for thousands and life goes on for everybody else.

Oh let me guess, now that you realize what the consequences of your actions would be now your trying to sidestep it?

I need to get better at spotting trolls. Good by.

Unkillable NPCs? Sure.

Also apparently, your dog companion will be unkillable , i hope we can at least skip him.

https://twitter.com/bethblog/status/610937497074335744

Don't know about you, but my Dogmeat died in the second battle after i picked him, when i was helping some dude from Hub to clear his house from the raiders and i am okay with that.

Well im not sure what you mean, but I think it would actually be interesting to try to play such a character and seeing all the random crap that would happen as a result. Obviously not exactly what you said and I know you were being funny but I still like the idea.

What if the Burned Game is one of the games you can find and play on the Pip Boy? that easter egg would be epic trolling and really funny

Ok let me ask you, Exactly whos fault is it that Fallout is being made by Bethesda?

Is it

a) Bethesdas for buying the rights from Interplay when they were defacto bankrupt or

Interplay for manangeing to go bankrupt despite the millions they have reportedly gotten from investors over the years

If Interplay had actually dissolved in bankruptcy as a couple of other companys have done, who would you have wrather seen it bought out by (Excluding Bethesda)

A) Nintendo

Capcom

C) Rockstar

D) Konami

E) Atari

F) Square-Enix

G) Blizard Activision (ok lets be honest here, Blizard because thats the side of the company that was NOT making a net loss lat 2 years according to there own financials)

H) EA. who would probably give it to someone who was not buisy at the time and take one look at tactics and go yah lets make a COD clone out of it since that was the trend at the time.

And currently the list goes downhill from there. theres not a single developer/producer I can think of who I honestly have to say would NOT botch it up worse than Bethesda, who lets be fair did a fairly good job of making a post apocalyptic crazy world.

Surprised they're totally unkillable, Skyrim had a system of "only killable by you". It occasionally failed, as AoE spells could still get them, but I'm surprised they aren't using it here too.