Will fallout 4 wait for new consoles? : Fallout Series Discussion

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:05 am

Highly unlikely. We get a new generation of consoles every 5-6 years, 7-8 at the absolute maximum. That puts us at a new console by 2013, early 2014.

Oh, I was unaware that the release of consoles and how they do itnwas set in stone.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:02 pm

M$ will release the 720 once the price point for the hardware they want passes an acceptable threshold. When the parts are cheap, they will jump at the chance to make more monies!

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:44 pm

I'm a person that values gameplay and story over graphics but after playing Skyrim for awhile I can't wait to see how the new Fallout will look.

I just hope the skills and perks don't follow Skyrim though. That would svck.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Sorry if it's already been discussed to death in this thread, but the short answer is I hope not.
Long answer being that both Microsoft and Sony are spending huge amounts of money advertising Kinect and Motion, respectively.
I know I've mentioned it somewhere on the gamesas forums, but I doubt they'd be pushing consumers to buy those so hard if they were just going to turn around and release a new console anytime soon. Especially given that they also both released newer versions of those consoles semi-recently. MS with the slim and Sony re-engineering their power distribution so it didnt consume more than a refridgerator, which runs all day. Things like that cost a lot of R&D money and time. I can't see them re-engineering their consoles, spending that time and money just to realease a next gen.

I know Nintendo and Sony have been pimping new consoles since this last E3, but they could still be pretty far out from finalizing the consoles and also ensuring there are actually enough games for those consoles to warrant people buuying them.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:44 pm

In a way I hope not. New consoles usually means a large focus on graphics. We can see how that worked out for BGS on Morrowind and Oblivion. They sold spectacularly of coarse. Morrowind 4-5 mill+ and Oblivion got that money even faster.

Fallout is a legendary franchise that can't afford and doesn't deserve sub-par attention on every element though.

BGS can afford now for more devs, better tools, etc. but that doesn't cut out the dangers and inherent struggle brought by new console cycles. This also means the PC version suffers.

I'd rather another IP whether new or TES take the first step just like the old cycle. FO 3 of coarse was rubbish as a Fallout game/RPG but was a good general game. That said they improved from Oblivion even if they implemented dungeon design(Fallout has almost no dungeons present. 1, 2, and New Vegas are examples) and RPG mechanics were much less than OB.

The conclusion based on facts and the not-as-bad-as-I-expected Skyrim is that by all means Fallout 4 should either come out during this cycle(Which probably won't be the case. FO 4 has been preproduction we can guess since 09. After holidays after main team gets to work and a side DLC team works on Skyrim main work on FO 4 will probably start. 09-2012 with 1 year of full work isn't likely. 13'-15' timeframe is likely and by then no doubt new console cycle) or it should be crafted as BGS's second game on the new console cycle.

Just so Fallout 4 isn't a glorified horror shooter RPG tech demo. And hopefully it will be a bigger jump in tech than OB to FO 3.

Edit: One extra thing to consider is since Morrowind TES has been a pretty close by launch RPG title for Microsoft for both original Xbox and 360 and have done absurdly well on both consoles. If MS gives a launch date a BGS game isn't far away

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:35 pm

That said they improved from Oblivion even if they implemented dungeon design(Fallout has almost no dungeons present. 1, 2, and New Vegas are examples)

Not the derail the thread, but... I think F3 got too much negativity for including dungeons/metros.
You have to throw new stuff into the mix, and that is one of the examples of new stuff that wasnt re-writing lore.

Of course there wouldnt be metro's on the west coast, where the original fallouts and NV were set. The west coast doesn't really have metro tunnels.
The east coast does though.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:52 pm

The metros were irritating the first time I explored them. They were a decent dungeon after I gained my bearings.

The downtown area was perhaps a bit too confusing, though.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:47 pm

The metros were irritating the first time I explored them. They were a decent dungeon after I gained my bearings.

The downtown area was perhaps a bit too confusing, though.

I dug that they were somewhat labrynthian.
Especially the first playthrough, before I was at a high level. When you start running low on ammo, and the ferals sart attacking and you still have no idea where you are..... dug the challenge!

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:25 pm

Yeah I know but sometimes I feel that Fallout deserves it with all the [censored] it has gone through in the past few years. I mean Bethesda made a killing off Skyrim and most console users don't appreciate Fallout for what it is, all they do is achievement hunt and complain about it. I for one am sick and tired of PS3 complaining that the crashing is Fallout's fault when really Sony is being lazy and trying to get the most money out of their old machine. *Shrugs* And Mods are a whole new level of whining. If you want mods so bad, buy a PC. I feel that it is incredibly hard to explain to a console player WHY mods can not be put on the console. Most gamers are kids and their understanding of computer code and all that is zero or minus.

Plus they hold back the graphics and performance that Fallout is capable of having. I also for one don't want my Fallout game... *COUGH* New Vegas COUGH COUGH* held back because the company who bought it and saved it doesn't want to share their new engine with Fallout because they are saving it to WOW people with its graphics.

Basically I don't want to suffer and watch my favorite series crumble and die or not reach its full potential. This would be a different story and I wouldn't mind if console players just took the time of day to learn about Fallout and realize that; "Hey, we can't do it during the Great War or those are mutants not aliens. You want to play as a lizard? Too bad." It kills to me to say the least.

If you want to buy a game series, at least take the time of day to improve it and release it. What Bethesda should do is hire people who really like Fallout and enjoy it, know all about its lore and timeline and make a good game... Fallout 4. Don't swap series every two years, that is how something gets [censored] up. Going from TES4 to Fallout 3 then back to TES5 is what caused Fallout 3 to be a middle finger to the Fallout series.

What all this means is I want to see Fallout 4 to be the greatest of the series, I want old gamers to say, "Wow, that is really good, might be better than the originals." Not, "This was a huge [censored] up and why would the do this to us?"

I for one REALLY do not want to wait four more years for Sony and Microsoft to make a new console series... and then wait an extra two for Bethesda to port the game onto the PC...

Reported for trying to lable console players as unintelligent.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:03 pm

Reported for trying to lable console players as unintelligent.

You butthurt?

Where did he say anything about console players are unintelligent btw? It was more like he labled them lazier than PC gamers since console gamers are mostly what you call causal gamers, the kind that just sit down in a comfy sofa, putting their feet on the table after a long day and put on some game where you don't need to think that much like CoD or Battlefield. And reporting him for that is pretty silly since it's not a personal insult or anything racist, console gamers are a big (the biggest) audience for games, they can take some generalisation... which apparently you can't, it seemed like you took it as a personal insult and I wonder why you did that. Most people who react that strong are people who recognize themselves in it. Just shrug it off, it was his opinion, this is a forum and it's generally accepted that casual gamers want games with less thinking and more grinding - that's why it's casual. Fallout is supposed to be more of a thinking game, so save the report button for when people directly insult the irish people or something.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:11 am

I for one do not see Fallout 4 coming with the new consoles. If it does, it would be a near launch game.I think nearly all Launch games svck. So if they follow a normal Dev. cycle, and choose it on the new consoles, that would be around 2016. I don't wanna wait THAT long.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:45 am

why not release it PC only, then port it to the newer console?

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:50 pm

You butthurt?

Where did he say anything about console players are unintelligent btw? It was more like he labled them lazier than PC gamers since console gamers are mostly what you call causal gamers, the kind that just sit down in a comfy sofa, putting their feet on the table after a long day and put on some game where you don't need to think that much like CoD or Battlefield. And reporting him for that is pretty silly since it's not a personal insult or anything racist, console gamers are a big (the biggest) audience for games, they can take some generalisation... which apparently you can't, it seemed like you took it as a personal insult and I wonder why you did that. Most people who react that strong are people who recognize themselves in it. Just shrug it off, it was his opinion, this is a forum and it's generally accepted that casual gamers want games with less thinking and more grinding - that's why it's casual. Fallout is supposed to be more of a thinking game, so save the report button for when people directly insult the irish people or something.

and at the same time, blanket statements svck.

» Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:18 am

Microsoft and Sony have to respond to the Wii-U soon. Nintendo will have a new console in 2012 as powerful as PS3, but with more frills. Since it is a budget machine, it can play all of the Wii games, and there are probably more Wiis owners than the other consoles you can expect a lot of people upgrading and switching to Nintendo. If the competition does not respond they will get trounced in the coming years.

This assumes that the Wii-U is not a complete pile of trash and will appeal to current owners of Wii products.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Microsoft and Sony have to respond to the Wii-U soon. Nintendo will have a new console in 2012 as powerful as PS3, but with more frills. Since it is a budget machine, it can play all of the Wii games, and there are probably more Wiis owners than the other consoles you can expect a lot of people upgrading and switching to Nintendo. If the competition does not respond they will get trounced in the coming years.

This assumes that the Wii-U is not a complete pile of trash and will appeal to current owners of Wii products.

I wonder how that will pan out as well...

It is going to be on par with current consoles, save for a gimmick controller, so the control style is mostly what is has going for it, no?.. Take the wiimote, for instance It was ahead of the curve for motion sensing controllers, but it didnt lead across the board.
I may be mistaken, but it seems nintendo has a compltely different market than PS and MS consoles- will that change? not sure, but I think nintendo does well enough with the demographic they cater to now and they likely wont start putting a huge amount of gritty games intot heir mix, because they dont relaly need to.

FI they keep to the same formula of games they release, will the other two feel the need to rush a new console out, to stay comptetitive?

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:03 am

Reported for trying to lable console players as unintelligent.

Just saying it is sad to watch a good game series die so quickly. If I offended you I am sorry? Must have been pissed off about something that day and wrote it up, but I do still stand by it. I am less angry towards consoles themselves and more so at Bethesda. I mean they can make TES different with ever game, MW was very different from OB, and OB seems incredibly different from Skyrim with its fancy graphics. So why would they just carelessly through Fallout aside to Obsidian, that was why New Vegas was such a flop in a fan sense. I am just saying, most people, which are consoles because of the size and generality, said they are done with Fallout for good. And it saddens me that it is slowly dying like this.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:24 am

I don't think Fallout series is dying. At all. Fallout 3 was one of the best games of this generation for a lot of people (casual and hardcoe players) and, although it was so different of 1 and 2, it still was a great, funny and really long game. It's one of the very few games that made me feel really sad when I finished it, like I was leaving my hometown to settle down in some other place, and I'm definitely revisiting Wasteland when I finish TESV.

"Fallout: New Vegas", on the other hand, wasn't that good for me. Maybe because it lost the surprise effect "Fallout 3" had in terms of graphics, gameplay, etc. Also, I liked "Fallout 3"'s jazzy music much more than "New Vegas"'s mostly country style. I won't go back to Mojave desert, but I look forward to go back to Wasteland with "Fallout 4", in which I hope Bethesda introduces all of the improvements and new good ideas I'm seeing in Skyrim.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:06 am

as long as the PC game aint get handicapped by the limited way the "tv- game - box" drag it down.

the skyrim was a bad made interface for the pc gaming.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:34 pm

the skyrim was a bad made interface for the pc gaming.

I agree. However, the game it's legendary from the very start. But yeah, it's not cool. I hope this kind of stuff is corrected for a Fallout 4.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:27 pm

i think they will. When Skyrim was Already in the making they debated if they should wait for the next gen consoles, i can imagine Bethesda decided to release skyrim on the current console and fallout 4 on the next console. To Be fair i think everyone had their fix on post-apocalypse survival with rage and new-vegas

we wont see another fallout in awhile sadly, bethesda just finish a big game and they are probably taking a break.
i wouldnt be surpirsed if Fallout:4 was one of the first games to come out in the next consoles, thus gaining a bigger audience... It will be the "King Kong" of the new consoles

but when Fallout: 4 comes out with the newest tec....holy !#$? its going to be amazing, like 3 times bigger then Skyrim...real living and breathing citys...
*takes off pants and touches leggs*

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:15 am

i think they will. When Skyrim was Already in the making they debated if they should wait for the next gen consoles, i can imagine Bethesda decided to release skyrim on the current console and fallout 4 on the next console. To Be fair i think everyone had their fix on post-apocalypse survival with rage and new-vegas

No, they were not debating it.

They simply stated that they have never made two games of the same series on the same console.

And Microsoft announced that the Xbox 360 is only halfway through its life span, which means that if you want them to wait you won't see another Fallout game until some time after 2016.

And RAGE was such a dissapointment. We have had one post-apocalyptic game come out near the holidays every year since 2007 (Bioshock, F3, Borderlands, F:NV, RAGE) and I have grown to like all except RAGE.

Some post-apocayltpic game needs to come out to make up for it.

we wont see another fallout in awhile sadly, bethesda just finish a big game and they are probably taking a break.
i wouldnt be surpirsed if Fallout:4 was one of the first games to come out in the next consoles, thus gaining a bigger audience... It will be the "King Kong" of the new consoles

Taking a break? This isn't their hobby, its their job! They get paid to make games.

Let TES6 be the King Kong of the new consoles, we need Fallout!

but when Fallout: 4 comes out with the newest tec....holy !#$? its going to be amazing, like 3 times bigger then Skyrim...real living and breathing citys...
*takes off pants and touches leggs*

That will be cool, and will happen, but we need Fallout a lot sooner than that.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:28 pm

If it comes out when new consoles come out, it will rule the consoles definitely but I'd prefer new consoles to come out late next year with Fallout 4

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:17 pm

Hmm... I thought there was a 4 year gap between Oblivion and Fallout 3, but it's only 2'5 (March 2006 - October 2008), and then 3 years passed until Skyrim was released. So "logically", Fallout 4 would come in spring-autumn 2014 unless they already hired some other company (Obsidian?) to work on it while they were working on Skyrim.

If they're developing F4 on their ownm, I think it's highly likely that they will wait for new generation consoles (they should be released not later than 2015).

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:26 pm

I'm far from convinced we won't see new consoles in 2014. Sony and MS can say what they will, but we've seen the power of being first to market the last two console gens (being second doomed XBOX and very nearly did the same to PS3) and I suspect some misinformation might be in play from both sides. And as much as I am chomping at the bit for a new Fallout from Bethesda proper (for me the best part of Skyrim being released was knowing Beth could turn to Fallout 4), I can't imagine we'll get it before Q3 or Q4 2014. And I'd rather they take their time and hit another home run.

» Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:07 pm

I don't think Fallout series is dying. At all. Fallout 3 was one of the best games of this generation for a lot of people (casual and hardcoe players) and, although it was so different of 1 and 2, it still was a great, funny and really long game. It's one of the very few games that made me feel really sad when I finished it, like I was leaving my hometown to settle down in some other place, and I'm definitely revisiting Wasteland when I finish TESV.

"Fallout: New Vegas", on the other hand, wasn't that good for me. Maybe because it lost the surprise effect "Fallout 3" had in terms of graphics, gameplay, etc. Also, I liked "Fallout 3"'s jazzy music much more than "New Vegas"'s mostly country style. I won't go back to Mojave desert, but I look forward to go back to Wasteland with "Fallout 4", in which I hope Bethesda introduces all of the improvements and new good ideas I'm seeing in Skyrim.

It's not dying in the least. It may be changing in ways unpleasant to many of those attached to the original Fallouts, but Fallout 3 was a titanic success (far, far, far moreso than the originals, at least commercially) and while F:NV was less so, not much is going to stop Fallout 4 from being a massively popular and successful game as well.