Well, Draugrs are strong ennemies... Like Berserkers...but worse.



Well, it's not my problem, if I am making a murderous character...and there aren't only frost spells that we can use againts them, you know.



I would better like immunity,... but to satisfy every one, it should be at 75%... In Oblivion, there barely was snow (only in the mountains), in Morrowind, there was Solsteim.
And they should also get back their immunity to shock back...at 50%.


Nords are warriors (supposed to be), so why make them weaker, when they need tank, and get resistance to 2 types of magic.






And the Bretons, nobody complains about their high magica resistance.
And no complains about the Argonians having immunity to poison.
And no one complains about Altmer being UnderPowered, with magic types.


Why should Nords stay with a low frost resistance from Oblivion, while Skyrim is a snowy place? If Bethesda can't re-add their Shock resistance 50%, they could at least bring frost resistance up back.

You're not really answering my question there. Why does it have to be specifically the Draugrs? Because they're strong? Heck then they're just as much a problem to the non-Nords. Not really a strong point.

Note that I somewhat agree that the Nords should have their high resistances to frost and lightning back. And you know what? I think it would be very cool as well if the game's races had different levels of alcohol tolerance, and the Nords to innately possessing a sky high level of it. Heck, they should even exclusively having their magicka and stamina restored just from getting drunk.

edit: I just noticed that I'm starting my sentence with "heck" twice right durr.

Don't forget the player's side of things, though. Let's say I want to make a mage, and he's got a few powerful frost spells he's proud of. If these do absolutely nothing against Nords, that's kind of weird, y'know? Especially considering that there will most likely be tons of Nords in every town.

They should get their resistance to shock AND their immunity to frost... they should also get they special power ice attack...
The Dunmer AND the Bretons AND the ORCS (in Ob were agility won't help you with combat) AND the Highelves AND the Redguards AND the Argonians (its 75% resistance to disease and 100% resistance to poison...

So there are three UNDERPOWERED races Khajit, Imperial, and Bosmer...
I think the bretons should get their (its them that had this right) powerfull shield spell taken away... their magic powers are FAR overpowered already...

Also most creatures wouldn't have naturally evolved into only using frost spells, since nearly everything in a place like Skyrim can handle the cold... and most creatures would not use spells... but also have a 50-100% resistance to frost... and every desent destruction mage would know other spells than frost... every decent conjurer would Summon, every decent illusionist would command, paralyze, frenzy, charm, and calm...

Nords wouldn't be losing their immunity because we're now located in Skyrim. They had already lost it in Oblivion. People are asking if they're going to get their immunity back again. People want it back, presumably because it is Skyrim. Anyway, I wouldn't be opposed to increasing it, I just think the idea of full immunity to an element for a non-magical being (atronach, etc) is a bit odd. I think 50%-75% is fine. IIRC dunmer had 50 or 75% resistance to fire in Morrowind, which wasn't so bad. It could be annoying at times, but wasn't really detrimental to gameplay. However, you have to also consider that in Morrowind the different types of elemental damage played little more role other than allowing for racial and elemental resistances and immunities. In Skyrim, element choice is not only a matter of immunities and resistance, but also a matter of strategy, especially for magic using characters, is choosing the right element to use. Thus full immunity could be quite overpowering.

I think frost damage slows the target? Nords are generally warriors and if you're casting frost you're probably a mage. If they have full immunity, then you can't slow them down and mages now run slower backwards. Which could result any mage to struggle fighting most Nords.

Alcohol effects would be great!... And I guess Nords would have much less negative effects from drinking Mead...In Morrowind, in Solsteim, every non-Nords say Mead is awfull...except Nords.




But slowing speed is "Drain attribute"...so it affects anyone.

Is it? I hadn't heard any specific information on it. Just using existing drain and damage affects seems a little obtuse as the affects wouldn't necessarily be connected to the element then. As in, magical resistance would then protect you from a lot of the affects of elemental spells, which is kind of weird.

Well, I figured that only a Frost spell can't just drain speed...so there must a drain speed that goes with the spell.

If Nords get their Frost Resist up to 75% and Shock Resist up to 50%, both of those types of magic will be useless. Most of Skyrim's inhabitants will be Nords, and therefore the player will mainly use Fire Damage, especially with all the Frost creatures I'm sure we'll see. In my opinion, the best thing to do would be to make 3 races each have 60% resist one element and 25% Weakness to another, and it should be like this:

Dunmer: Resist Fire 60%
Weakness to Shock 25%

Argonian: Resist Shock 60%
Weakness to Frost 25%

Nord: Resist Frost 60%
Weakness to Fire 25%

This both builds on previous games (Dunmer with fire and Nord with frost) without directly contradicting them, because Nords don't get weakness to shock, as well as improving a frankly fairly weak race, because Argonians were only resistant to Poison and Disease, two non-elements, and didn't get great skill boosts for their attributes in Oblivion.

In my opinion a system like that would be fairly boring, I rather like the way that they're different now, rather than all being made with the same mould. Maybe just enough fine tuning to make sure the resistances are not so extreme as to make certain magics useless, instead just enough to have it make some difference. I'd also like to see them expand on some of the abilities of the other races, like make something cooler out of the usable abilities of say Imperials etc.

I see where your coming from, but it's only those three races and obviously they would all have their own special abilities as well :tongue:

I definetly would like races to have more gameplay differences this time so playing a nord warrior was a different gameplay experience from playing a breton warrior even if I pick all the same skills and perks.

It simply isnt fun to play a bosmer warrior because he winds up far too much just like all the others. Thats NOT what I want when I roll a bosmer warrior or a redguard mage or a nord rogue. I want something interesting something odd.

I try to use percentage of ability wherever possible. Would work in many cases where it is currently not. But not in the case of water breathing (water walking works as a skill percentage in the form of levitation using thrust, and night eye could be partial to dark areas, so nothing is impossible).


Yeah I just think it's a bad description We have species on earth that we call "immune to poison" too, but which really aren't. They may we extremely well adapted to certain poisons they face often, but they're not immune to all poisons. Which is why I think a resistance would be better than immunity.


Not sure what you're asking here, sorry.


Well I'm norwegian and I still hate deicing the windshield And yes I've experienced my share of -30°C in the army up north, including tent life. Fighting and managing cold was a big issue (and US personnel did worst, as they had huge coats making them sweat when they did something - big mistake ). Big difference from running 200m in a t-shirt to get to the mess hall, to staying outside for the whole day (or week).


Just because I think immunity is overkill, especially if hypothermia is an issue. Which feels like a pretty natural component to surviving the elements given the region if you ask me.


Huh? Think FONV radiation poisoning. Being in a cold environment you pick up 1HTP/sec (hypothermia points). No biggie, right? Being in water makes it i.e. 3HTP/sec with a multiplication factor of 2 since you're in water. When you get up, it gets back to 1HTP/sec but the factor or 2 stays for a while until you dry up. Add in blowing winds (doesn't affect under water), which also adds a factor 2. Now you're taking 4HTP/sec. If that meter gets to 200, you get mild hypothermia, i.e. you move slower. Get it to 300, and you get moderate hypothermia, with added difficulties/penalties. 400 = severe hypothermia, 475 = critical hypothermia (last warning), and finally fatal hypothermia at 500. Naturally scaled to keep it playable, but a bit challenging in certain areas, and forces the player to think more of his actions even if he's not fighting. Immunity would kill all of this, and guess what, inuits also wear clothes - big ones. I don't get how it *shouldn't* have consequences to do stupid things you would never even consider in real life, especially since it drives for added gameplay rather than ultra realism.


Guess you missed mine then



With frost resistance of 50%, that means you get *double* exposure dose before it becomes a problem, or you get to stay in same exposure area for twice as long. That seems pretty significant to me. Keep in mind there will be other means available as well to deal with it, from clothing to temporary effects from alcohol? Just as FONV had Rad-X and Rad-Away pills and some foods and doctors.

In reality, no one can resist fire... So I was comparing the Altmer's resist stats witg real life and putting them to other races...