If we see the Enclave in Fallout 4 it should be a small remnant group like the Fallout New Vegas group.

A group of soldiers that while not as old as the FNV Remnant's just want to live the rest of their lives in peace.

But they should never, ever be a full source of power, as they where in Fallout 2 and 3, and I prey they are not the main antagonists of Fallout 4.

The Institute would make for a far more interesting and unique group of antagonists for the Lone Survivor of Vault 111 anyway.

I kind of want to see them still fighting the Brotherhood. If I were a highly-trained, fanatical soldier like the Enclave and some dudes came along and destroyed my family and entire way of life I wouldn't just want to see them disappear to live in peace. Fight to the end.

I mean consider IRL if the US was occupied by a foreign power, I daresay there'd be some guerrilla conflicts right? Then consider the Enclave, career soldiers who's entire mission for generations has been ensuring the continuation of the American state which is then effectively wiped out in a few months by an enemy... and your a guy kitted out with all the best gear who was already a ruthless xenophobe before-hand anyway. I daresay that they'd keep fighting, for revenge at the very least.

The Enclave: You make a fair point. Perhaps the Enclave Remnant's in Fallout 4 will have a hidden quest like the Remnant's found in FNV.

You as the protagonist could help the Remnant's find a measure of revenge against the BOS or perhaps be the one to put the final nail in their coffin.

I'd very much like that to be the case. The Remnants in NV were so weak-sauce "I'm Daisy Whitman and I just loved to fly, no genocide honest" .

It'd be far more fair and humanising if you met some dude who was like "The Brotherhood of Steel killed my parents and my wife, what else am I supposed to do." The Enclave have almost entirely been presented as vat-grown soldiers like the Talon Co, as if they had no civilians or families or anything. The only reference to any familial relationship in the Enclave is a holotape in Broken Steel from a guy to his little sister... which you recover from her corpse as she flee's from the scene of fighting as a non-combatant. I'd much rather see that, some acknowledgement that the Enclave aren't just soulless soldiers but were an actual society, albeit an evil one you had to stop.

That's pretty much going to be my play-through in F4, an old Enclave officer out in Boston to die fighting the BoS.

I hope not. At least not as they appeared in FO 2 and 3.(genocidal maniacs and always bad guys that are obviously evil)

However I would find a joinable splinter-faction that acts with a little more sense a very inresting idea.

The Enclave: That sounds like a very interesting play through, that if possible I would love to try myself.

I remember in the trailer shown at E3 that the wife says something about her husband being a veteran meaning they served in a war that most likely led to the bombs being dropped.

As a veteran of the old world United States Army, Navy or Marines I could easily see the male protagonist agreeing with The Enclave who are the most direct link to the Old World government he remembers.

Those shots of the protagonist firing at the BOS are starting to make a lot more sense now.

It's pretty much my default character these days, in-case you can't tell I'm kind of invested in the Enclave .

Well the Enclave are a lot different to the old US, even though the old pre-war US was pretty evil. I think that he, as a guy - presumably - looking for his son (and maybe his wife) might appreciate their narrative.

At-least the BoS are the enemies, we can kill them and destroy their airship. Can't wait.

If they're going to add Enclave remnants, I'd like to see them as a downtrodden group of people desperately trying to escape the wrath of the Brotherhood. Some are disillusioned with the Enclave's goals, others are desperately clinging onto them.

I think the greatest benefit about humanizing the Enclave is showing that the greatest crimes against humanity aren't caused by monsters, but by humans.

The Enclave: I kind of guessed you had in investment in the Enclave based on your name.

This makes me wonder though just how differently the wife would see the Enclave than the husband. Was she herself in the military, or was she always a civilian. Could something so simple as the six of your character impact the storyline of Fallout 4 in such a profound way. Hm, food for thought at least.

I wonder if Bethesda is taking a page from Obsidian's book by using the reputation system where factions such as the Enclave (Remnants not fully powered military group) and the BOS can be high or low based on your actions to aid or hinder said factions. It would be an improvement over the Karma system from F3 that I hope has little to no impact in F4.

Well the Enclave did have women in active, front line service in both Fallout 2 and 3. Don't know about the prewar USA though. Can't really speculate anymore than that.

The Enclave: If prewar USA was influenced by the 50's culture I am guessing that the wife was most likely a civilian, as the 50's had a very set way of looking at women. But if the Enclave had women in active front line service in both Fallout 2 and 3, then perhaps not all 50's mindsets from our timeline existed in the Fallout Universe's prewar world.

Even more food for thought, and until the game is released and we learn the truths of the Lone Survivor of Vault 111 as you yourself said we simple can not speculate anymore on the subject.

In Operation Anchorage when you "set up" your squad the human soldiers could be female at random, i feel like even though Fallout has a 50's culture that they have progressed past sixism and stuff over time (ive never seen any racism based on skin color either)

Eh no, thank you. They were kinda cool (okay the coolness was their power armor) in F2, after that though the only good thing about them in F3 was John Henry Eden. And that is solely because of Malcolm McDowell. I love listening to his voice.

No. I absolutely love the Enclave but... No.

The Enclave deserved to die for what they did to the world and have died. Let them rot.

Highly doubtful, Their only presence in the Wasteland of the USSA, post Fallout New Vegas, is in the city of Chicago (or whatever is left of it in 2280)

We saw a enclave helmet no ? (in the garage)

So it wouldn't surprise me.

I couldn't give two [censored] about the enclave if there in or not but please dear lord for all that is holy let us be able to modify the pa Into the enclave tesla varient with those pylon things sticking out of the armor and electricity arching around the armor. Please please please.

Sure...show up to help the Enclave, and the xenophobic, anti-mutant crazed Enclave just shoot you dead...

When I say they were anti-mutant, that means they were anti anyone wandering the wasteland that isn't them.

I'd personally like too see the Enclave come back, though I'm with many of you, in the more rag-tag beaten down group.

Also, I'd like to point out, we don't know if there were Enclave splinter groups that headed out too continue the Enclave mission... in a different direction. Never know, might be an Enclave group that pops up that really does want to help people out. Or just shoot you dead because you're not one of them. Either way, if they do come back, it would be interesting to see if anything you do for/against them will have an affect on the game as a whole.

The only way the Enclave should return is in a remnant form not a revenant one.

Also what can the Enclave really offer other than tales of the poseidon oil rig/navarro and raven rock etc and their alligence to or disdain of their former ideology?

We never saw any families at Raven Rock so the Enclave has to have other bases for their non combatants.

Got to keep the gene line and pure and unirradiated after all.

After the destruction of the Mobile Crawler, any married Enclave personal would likely head for their families with the high command gone (again).

And staying in the Capital Wasteland might lead getting stomped on by a repaired Liberty Prime.

Surrendering and disarming might lead to to a terminal case of being lynched or a visit by local raiders.

So there could be a large Enclave remnants with lots of non combatants looking for some place to settle that isn't too close to the CWBoS, the locals doesn't have personal experience with the Enclave, there is enough tech base to keep their gear up, food could be grown, and the noncombatant could be protected.

Likely figure that the Institute would be interested in trading for tech and knowledge.

The leadership might not be "Enclave" any more, but you can't just strip a life time of identity especially after a disaster.

So they would likely still identify themselves as Americans and have a 1950s outlook.

I think it would be a blast that except for a few rogues, all the former Enclave survivors only want a place they can live safely with their families.

You would spend the whole game wondering what they were up to.

I bet we will see some Enclave remnants in the last part of the game.

I hope that's in... only if it does more than it did in FO3, which was a piddly energy weapons skill boost. It could have added a ton of energy weapons resistance or something, as Tesla defense fields are supposed to.

Not necessarily, we certainly didn't see all of the Raven Rock complex - we only saw eight beds in the whole place so it's likely any living quarters were elsewhere. Would hurt the narrative somewhat wouldn't it if there were more Enclave civilians. Giving the Enclave another huge facility somewhere just creates an excuse to have them come back again; I see no reason why civilians couldn't have lived at Raven Rock. Besides, Enclave scientists are both civilians and non-combatants and it didn't save them.

The Fact enclave even trusted Eden at all is odd because he was on the other side of the country.

Edit: why did bethesda give the Enclave mid western brotherhood power armor anyways.