Silly or not they're still advlt themes and it doesn't make them any less mature. I would like to point out that in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, the Miller's Tale includes a fart joke and some out there six jokes. It if's good enough for literature, it's good enough for a Fallout game.

In all seriousness though. No, the sixual themes and content were not what made Fallout 2 or Fallout 1 good. It was the writing that did that (and lets just say that I'm greatful that Obsidian's doing the writing and not Bethesda). However the inclusion of sixual themes in the Fallout games helped present the humanity of the setting. six is a constant presence in our society. It shapes our buying habits, it covers every form of media, and it shapes our perceptions of the world. After survival (ie: not dying) it is the most powerful driving force in determining human behavior and cognition (I should know, I've got a MA in psychology and I'm working on the next degree atm).

So, what do you reduce humanity to when you strip away that most fundamental of forces? Nothing.

Part of the draw of a post-apoc setting is the regrowth aspect of the genre. The world is destroyed, civilization has collapsed, but humanity still survives. People still live, love and procreate. That's why six has always been a fundamental aspect of the post-apoc setting. Often it's displayed in 2 different forms. You have those who objectify six and use it as a tool to survive. Prostitues or the sultry women who manipulate the despotic warlords from the foot of their thrones. On the other hand you often have "pure" female character who represent growth and rebirth. They are the farmgirl love interest the hero must inevitably save. (I'm not making this [censored] up, watch a couple of old Post-Apoc films and call me a liar). Not the most pro-feminist of concepts I'll admit but it's a defining characteristic of the genre.

Look at Fallout 1. Tandi fits the mold perfectly. The sweet, pure farm girl you save from the sadistic raiders before they can do anything to her. And what do you do with her? You leave her behind in Shady Sands, a town that pretty much represents the rebirth of humanity in the Fallout series (it's all new. There are no recycled parts or ruins in it's construction. It bears no resemblance to the tech of old America.)

Obsidian has a good track record with this, if anyone remembers Kotor 2 there were romances galore

I think everybody here is acting like Bethesda has never done nudity or mature concepts before. Daggerfall had full nudity in its pixelated goodness. Daggerfall was also planned to have a prosttute faction. Then Morrowind had that strip club in Suran as well as Crassius Curio.

I hope they add stuff like this again. There's no reason to complain about it, since it's all entirely optional dialogue. Nobody is ever forced into this stuff.

Yeah, they aren't shoving it down your throut

well considering that fallout new vegas is set in vegas im not seeing why they would not put in some reference to six, or at least cut price lovin

vegas is known as a party capital, casinos strippers and hokers, i dont see how they can avoid that topic

Well, Bethesda the company does. However the team now isn't the same team as then. If you compare Daggerfall to Oblivion there are some serious stylistic differences as well as differences in the writing style. If we were still talking about the Daggerfall guys I wouldn't be concerned, but we're not, and I am.



Which is why I have hope. Obsidian has a great track record and the guys on the dev team have some great resumes. Fallout, Kotor, NwN. That's a good list of deep, well written rpgs. Compare it to Bethesda writing in the last few years and there's no comparison.
I'm just worried that Obsidian'll be forced to make some decisions by policy statements from Bethesda who (since they now own the IP) probably think they know best when it comes to preserving the Fallout franchise.

the games going to be rated 18 no-matter what so they might aswell put six in the game

Indeed~ If Godfather 2 (can't BELIEVE I'm making that reference...) can get away with random strippers walking around topless, I'm sure New Vegas won't have much issue.

Well, he technically the LONE wanderer, sentenced to a life of loneliness, cursed to walk the D.C ruins by himself forever, (cept for the followers)
but yea, I'd love to see the whole six life be brought back up

Why should Bethesda care about bad publicity for a game aimed at advlts?

Why should Bioware care about sideboob in Mass Effect 2? Oh wait...they put bras on all the female npcs in the love scenes in Mass Effect 2.

lol your great :rofl: :hugs:

Maybe you never played the Gay Tony and Lost and the Damned Expansion pack for GTA 4 where in one of them you see a mans [censored], and in the other one you see yourself screw a women in the bathroom.

But if they do add six to the game, I want it to come with some benefits and not like fable 2 where you can screw anyone you like with nothing in return (except you have to pay your wife more money, greedy [censored]).

Thankyou, thank you...I'll be here all week....


But I do seriously wonder that sometimes...these days it's hard to find a video game that doesn't have a love interest....

What Ghoul prosttute?

What was that ghoul name?

...I think they might mean Snowflake...but He wasn't a prosttute, He just liked his Jammies....

And your hair, he liked that too.

I really would like to persue a paramoure in this game though, Like with Raul

What?
He's the only one we know about so far.....

Am I the only one seeing a trend where we as gamers are actively seeking out digital lovers? I'm as big a nerdy perv as the next guy, but this seems like a sign of the times.

It's kinda equivilant to reading a romance story...you want the main character to do something that you are unable to do, LIke fall in love with royalt or get wit an alien or soemthing...It doesn't necessarily mean we want to maryy the Video Games...though there are some....We just want to fully experience the Role Playing abilities of modern Video Games

We have indeed come a long way from being told the Princess is in another castle.

Talk about playing Hard To Get....

I think Peach was one of the original gamer girlfriends....she started it...
As did Ms. Pac-Man


thoguh as an easter egg it'd be funny to be told, in the middle of the quest, your princess is in another Vault

Maybe in a mission where you ARE trying to rescue someone...
You walk into an ambush and the guy goes, "Sorry Courier...Looks like your Princess is in another Castle."
Copyright infringing, yes...But I would like to see it.
Wait...can you copyright that?

Probably....Nintendo would have a field day over it....