Up until Fallout 3, six and romance were themes that poped up throughout the Fallout franchise. You could save a prosttute's life in F1 and hire a girl at the same brothel, and in F2 you could get married (gay or straight) and have your spouse follow you on adventures as a companion, become a porm star, and hire prosttutes. I liked the way this was handled in the past (cutting away to a black screen to insinuate something occured) so I'm not really expecting porm here. There was one quest in Broken Hills where you'd try to arm wrestle a Super Mutant. If you won you got an item, if you lost he drag you off and the screen would cut to black. When it came back the character would make a comment about being sore and you'd find a ball gag in your inventory. Nothing said directly, but what was implied was hillarious! You even saw some mature sixual themes poping up in Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel, so it's not like were talking about a 1-shot joke in 1 of the games.

What worries me is that I was surprised by a lack of anything along these lines in Fallout 3. six in any form was just missing from the savage struggle for human survival. There weren't even any hints at romantic subplots. The closest we got to that was Bittercup in Bigtown, who'd hint that she liked your chacter and that's it. No dialogue to fluff that storyline out, not extra side quests, nothing. I would have been happy with her wanting to follow me and eventually just taking up residence in the player house. She wouldn't have to do anything, but it would have been something more at least. It seems like they decided to just dump any sixual/romantic content & themes and pretended it didn't exist. There's a lone prosttute in Megaton who will go lie in a bed for money and a crazy mercenary drinking himself to death with 2 women in nighties, that's it. You can enlist the help of a six slave/assassin (clover) and that's it. She just kills things. Even Fable was a bit more risque then that!

It's not an odd request though. six has always been a part of the post-apoc genre. Saving gals, finding love, finding six (a boy and his dog?), and etc... But it helps lend some more humanity to the game and it's something I always came to expect from Fallout.

So, is there any chance that Obsidian's going to bring back those mature themes, or will we be stuck with the same, bland, violence focus that we saw in Fallout 3?

I agree their should be more, The dogmeat puppies perk made dogmeat's children pop out of nowhere!!? I never got to meet the mother or watch them concieve

I have that same fear...
Marriage in the wasteland in not such an uncommon thing..why were our Player Characters unable to find love???

Do you hate us, Bethesda??
Do you want us to be lonely?

Alright I'm not sure if that was a joke. I hope it was.

Pretty sure that's not what he's getting at, regardless.

It's there in Fallout 3, it's simply a bit subdued a bit. Such as a moment you offer someone to 'plow two bean fields' if you have the Black Widow perk and Nova at Moriarty's who'll lend you a room with a wink and a nudge.

Not a straight up pormographic scene, but it encourges a a few laughs.

If New Vegas has too much sixual content, Fox News is gonna have a story run on it for a whole week exclaiming video games are teaching our kids to have six with prosttutes.
So I'm going to say maybe a few more sixual references than Fallout3, but not too over the top.

holy [censored] that was the funniest thing i've ever heard.you made my day.

I heard from another site the are putting in a topless reuve (don't ask me what it means but i might have a clue)or something along the lines of that as a joke.who knows though i might come across walking around one day in NV

Yeeeeeeah, no, not even close. I'm not talking about actual graphical representations of sixual acts.

Look at most of the popular RPGs of the past and present. Mass Effect 1 and 2 involved romantic plotlines where outcomes were based on your dialogue with the NPCs. The same can be said for Knights of the Old Republic games and both Fable 1 and 2. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 had romantic sidequests and actually had an event where your traveling companion/lover turned out to be pregnant and eventually had a baby!
Fallout took this to a much more humerous extreme though. You could seduce a farmgirl/boy and get stuck in a shotgun wedding, but it was still there.

Similarly, the sixual themes were prominant in the Fallout series. While they weren't really heavily done in F1, F2 really embraced those themes. You could have six by hiring a prosttute, you could seduce the head of Vaultcity, you could even become a porm star or pimp your spouse. And what was GREAT was that these would actually influence events in the game. If you became a porm star the "moral" crime family wouldn't have anything to do with you and it opened up all sorts of odd dialogue options throughout the world. It gave you a way to get involved with the Hubologists in San Fran. If you had a female character you could sleep with slavers to cut down costs when buying an NPC's freedom. Also, if you slept with either of the Mob boss's family members (wife or daughter) and didnt have a condem in your inventory, it would mention in the ending "epilogue" that a child from that family in New Reno rose to take over the city (ie: your son). And in all of this nothing was shown. six was the classic "cut to black" that games have been using for a while now.

However, Fallout 3 cut that out and it felt like they missed the point on that one. It's not a surprise as Bethesda's never really been all that comfortable with sixual or romantic themes in their games. Look at Morrowind and Oblivion. Morrowind had 1 romantic side quest, and Oblivion didn't even have that. But what we got in Fallout 3 was kind of sad. Nova in Megaton just felt like a nod to the sixual themes in earlier games, and Bittercup felt like the same but for the romantic sidequests. In both cases, they didn't do anything with them. Bittercup would have made for a really interesting companion if they just set it up. The same for Butch if you played a female character. That's not to mention the oppertunities with characters like Sara Lyons, Moira, or even the childhood friend Amata. But instead they just skip em. There's that raider city you can find. Are there any quests involved? Nope, you just kill them all. And when you find the prison/brothel at the top even the prosttutes/slaves try to kill you. I really think a "please help us get home" following quest would have been perfect there.

So that's what was missing from Fallout 3 and that's what I'm really hoping returns with New Vegas. Especially since it takes place in friggin Sin City! If they don't do it, it'll just look kinda sad and silly.

See I don't think that'd be the problem people have made it out to be. There are alot of other games out there that've gone alot farther than Fallout 2 did and it was a bit out there. Grand Theft Auto's helped in that regard, but you've got the nudity in Heavy Rain (no controversy there), and the romance plotlines in Mass Effect. And while the latter did get a little controversy, it didn't last long. As long as they avoid actual pormographic scenes and give it a Mature rating it'll be fine. Heck, there are fully pormographic mods for Fallout 3 (which is still for sale) that include new animations and everything, and that didn't hit the news.

If you'll notice, since Jack Thompson got disbarred last year there really hasn't been a whole lot of controversy over games in the news.



That's the other thing, Fallout used to be pretty funny in a dark sort of way. One more aspect of the series I really hope Obsidian brings back. As for the topless review, I would be surprised if they did nudity (though, very very skimpy showgirl outfits might show up) but a showgirl revue would fit the setting well. So who knows.
Even then though it's not the nudity that'd do it. Oh wow, briasts, wooo -_- not like you can't see that on half the internet.
No it's the writing where I want to see it return. The quests, the options for player interaction with npcs, and the jokes.

she would have been more convincing as a prosttute if she was at least wearing naughty or sixy sleep wear.

six should come back along with sixual jokes and dirty limericks. It can be fade to black but six should be back.

I would like for there to be romance and for sixual relations to be implied. My imagination can easily supply the details.

Well, our character was known as The Lone Wanderer. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing it out.

i'm not that big on relationships in xbox games.theres enough of that in real life.but no babies please.

hope so

The prosttutes in that brothel weren't like innocent wastelanders forced to [censored] themselves, they were Raiders.. There wouldn't have been any please get us home quest involved with that because they were Raiders doing it by choice.

just like GTA when you drove those prosttutes in your car to a dark alleyway.you know the rest

I like how you said mature, as does everyone when referring to Fallout 1 & 2, even though Fallout was the only mature one, Fallout 2 was just endless references and jokes, and Fallout 3 was just silly.

very good point, i agree with that, but in new vegas they can change this since you are no longer the lone wanderer, or so i hope/think

Yeah, in New Vegas you're "The Courier", so you can [insert naughty comment involving the word courier here].

Getting married, becoming a pormstar, and having the game imply that you were [censored] by a Super Mutant are mature themes? They seemed pretty immature to me, not to mention pretty boring as I ignored all 3 features in F2.

I'd like to see sixual references and innuendoes occur more often. Nothing over the top just subtle hints.

IT'S TRUE!!!
THEY DO WANT US TO BE LONELY.....
I'm gonna end up a Crazy old Cat Lady.....



But srsly..that was another thing I didn't like...past lvl 6 I don't think I ever went annywhere without a companion.....I wasn't ALONE.....SO WTH is up with calling us the lone wanderer...it doesn't actually fit the title they gave the last PCs in the Games.
The Vault Dweller (obvious)
The Chosen One (you are awesome!)
The Lone Wanderer? (crazy old cat lady pushing a shopping cart)

in this new one, you are the courrier...they should give us the ability to have romance since the whole "lone" status is taken away.....



*wink wink*
*nudge nudge*

Say no more!

yea a six sciene will be nice ;D girl2girl ya know wha i mean ;D

No...

What we are talking about are jokes, innuendo's, and romance plots..not full on porm...
That's exactly what we don't want in a game because of all the bad publicity it'll spawn...

FTB worked for the other Fallouts, it should work for this one....

Ahahahahahahahahahagahahah I love that comment

Best part is, it's true for most of us....