Yes, but there will be disappointments. Despite of this the game will be amazing. It's The Elders Scrolls we are talking about.

Looks like we are not going to get everything we expect, and some things may fall short of the hyperbole, it's called advertising, should be used to it by now. Can you imagine if publishers told the truth : ME2, shinier, improved combat, character progression castrated ; Mirror's edge, Fantastic 1st person, cool parkour mechanic, short and unfulfilling ; Two Worlds 2, well you were dumb enough to pay money the first time around, etc. etc.
What will get, in all probability, is not Daggerfall 4, Morrowind 3 or Oblivion 2 , but, check this out o ye of jaded palate, but a new experience. Beth don't rest on their laurels churning out identical shooters or sports sims year after year, they bowl googlies ( British for throw a curve ball ) and some fans won't like this.
Do yourself a favour, don't listen to hype and advertising speil, don't listen to doom and gloom merchants, and let the [censored] play their already to them perfect games until their brains rot from lack of new experiences, and take this game on it's own merits, and maybe you will enjoy it, maybe you'll be let down, or maybe you will be genuinely moved and rewarded, but not if your preconceptions mess it up for you.

I haven't really heard anything "amazing" as yet... So far it mostly sounds like, for the most, they've tried to tweak the game mechanics of Oblivion - combat, magic, skills, AI, and so on - to yield a more fluid and satisfying gaming experience. This is good from my point of view, because I thought Oblivion did these things better than Morrowind (there were some exceptions).

Where Oblivion lacked, and where I hope Skyrim succeeds, is with an interesting setting, lore, and storylines. Vvardenfell was a place I wanted to learn about. I wanted to read the books, talk to all the NPCs so I could learn about the culture and the history. I wanted to walk around by foot to see the landscape, and the bizarre flora and fauna. I wanted to complete faction quests because they had a meta-narrative which had some resonance with the wider social and political themes in the game - I felt like that major decision one had to make in the Fighters Guild's quests had significant consequences because of how it related to the political corruption going on in Vvardenfell. Oblivion, by contrast, did not satisfy me along these lines. It was too generic, too superficial. We haven't really heard anything which shows that Skyrim will return to Morrowind's form, but I'm hopeful.

You forgot to close your [/sarcasm] tags. Oh- you were serious? :blink:


Overall Skyrim sounds somewhat like "Oblivion, take 2!" to me- lots of talk in all this GI information about how cool, shiny, and earth-shatteringly fantastic everything will be that sounds about the same as all the buzz about how cool, shiny and earth-shatteringly fantastic Oblivion was going to be. And whether they live up to their hype better this time around or not remains until 11-11-11 to be seen. :shrug:

The part I bolded is a huge dividing line. See, some of us LIKE to be able to get in over our heads, and hate the way the world seems to revolve around you in Oblivion. I'm not even sure it's possible to make both groups happy. Fallout 3 was still much too aggressively scaled for my taste.

I think that you are probably correct in saying that Skyrim will mostly be doing things like difficulty balancing the Oblivion way, which means I should try not to get too hyped about it...

But the hype machine is designed to give us expectations far in excess of what will actually be in-game, so that they can sell pre-orders. And it has me trapped already! :biggrin:

I'm sure Skyrim will be a great game, but when the dust settles, hardly any games live up to their own pre-release hype.

Lots of people (not saying you) will look back and blame Bethesda but the fact is a very large percentage of the over hyping is done by us.

i think its the hype that ruins the experience. im trying not to get too hyped for this one im positive skyrim will be fantastic though (dont listen to me so you get hyped!)

If Skyrim is as sood as Oblivion... it will be amazing. I think it will be better.

omg...i hate armour lock, if i could, i would murder its bloodline so that it may never touch the world with its game imbalance again.

on topic - i think skyrim will hype its self, when they release a gameplay vid, people are gonna flip balls, and make some stuff out to be more than they are.

It won't if they keep going the "Oblivion" route. In one of the Game Informer interviews Todd seemed to be practically gloating of how much oblivion was much more of a success than any other game. I really hope it's not like that for them in their creative meetings ie. "okay oblivion was a huge success, a lot of new comers loved it! what did we do right with oblivion that made it such a success?" instead of "okay fans were a bit disappointed that oblivion felt generic and lost the uniqueness and experience that morrowind had" When I hear things like that they're taking out in-game conversations with non-essential npc's, it really starts worrying me. I want different perspectives of certain events and rumors, not just the Dukes and his personal guards side of the story. If I want to learn about the city, services, etc. I shouldn't have to walk all the way to the towns main inn to ask a bartender where to go and buy spells. What's next, books that are not related to quests will also not be included? If it has morrowind's high level of variety and unique atmospheres to keep us engaged throughout our 100+ hours of gaming, this will be an amazing game no question. It already has the combat and level progression done right.

+1! Wonderfully said.

I think it will be fantastic. And I think folks will still complain about it irregardless of how good it is, that's how some people are.

I wish that our time in hours played could be listed next to our forum avatars here, so that we could see how much those who feel "cheated" have played. I think it would reveal alot of the complaints are just whining by people who are never satisfied and Will never be satisfied with Skyrim because it isn't Morrowind++.

I complain because I love. I've probably spent 1000 hours over various characters in Oblivion alone, and I'll probably do the same in Skyrim - so I want the best damn game I can to do it in.

You can hype it in your own head if you want. I do not see any forumers with pre release info. The descriptions, wording and pics in the mags and Beth blog are 90% of the hype.
Regardless of hype, not enjoying the game and then being disappointed in BGS is a different thing. And are ultimately calling the shots on the design. If you don't like it for itself, or don't like it because it isn't scratching that TES itch, that disappointment should really filter back up the chain so that it is at least heard by the ones that matter.

The topic creator has a good point. When I played Oblivion and was blown away by it a friend had insisted to me for several weeks that I HAD to get it. I had no hype or information about it at all other than him telling me to play it, so it blew me away.

I'm not very picky so it would take radiant story being akin to Spore's generic space stage quests to make me disappointed. Graphic gore without an option to disable it would highly disappoint me as well (though not on the level of radiant story being like the space nanny stage would).

I expect to be impressed.



People introduced to the series with Oblivion are the fans as much as anyone else. Don't try to make it sound like "the fans" have a unanimous opinion about Morrowind or Oblivion. They don't. "Listen to the fans!" Usually means "I demean those that disagree as not true fans so they should listen to people like me!"

It doesn't and shouldn't work that way. There are many things done well in both games so I hope they make Skyrim its own great experience. I agree some thing are concerning, such as not being able to directly talk to NPCs, but I won't judge that until I see how it's done. There's a huge spectrum between how far Final Fantasy XIII unfortunately took NPC interaction out of the game and being able to open a dialog with each npc. I'm hoping it doesn't mean they ignore you entirely.

You haven't been reading the posts in this forum, have you? There was a time people were convinced that we'd have an endless supply of quest giver NPCs, due to them being replaced "automatically" by relatives if they die, and a wealth of randomly generated quests.. both thanks to Radiant Story. Bethesda, Game Informer, and no one else that has seen the game ever said any such thing. There's people saying that we could have destructible environments and maybe buildings/cities, due to a comment saying that fire can burn on various bits of the environment (nothing saying about destruction of said environrments). There was a time when people were sure we'd be able to combine spells, which was never officially stated (and actually debunked a bit later on).

Plus, there is always a certain amount of information your brain makes up, often without you even realizing it. This is because when we're only given a limited amount of info, the brain usually has to fill in the blanks on some things before it can conceptualize what we're being told. Add to that, that people are excited and have high hopes, so things tend to get exagerated, also without realizing it.

I think it`s true that the hype is what ruins it for people. These forums over the next 9 months will generate so much hype that inevitably some people will be expecting a game of godlike properties.

I`m happy to expect a game with nice graphics and draw distance, interesting places to explore, hopefully brutal and gory combat, a feeling of terror when the dragons appear with intelligent ai on their behalf, decent ai behaviour in general and plenty of gripping quests.

If Skyrim delivers that for me, then i will be very happy.

I actually think BGS will deliver the goods.

Probably not. But it will still be the best game ever.

Nothing has ever lived up to it's hype. Therefore avoid the hype.

I have said the same things you did. I am thinking Bethesda will not be able to deliver with skyrim as promised. Call me a cynic but with the anticipation of Oblivion from Morrowind, I was let down big time. All the promises made and Bethesda didn't deliver on them. Now I am seeing the same promises again.

Oh improved AI, improved Havok, Blah Blah Blah is all I read now. Fool me once, shame on you, you will not fool me twice. Yes I loved Oblivion, but for the first month I didn't play it because it was such a disapointment. At least Bethesda isn't claiming Skyrim as Oblivion 2.0. Bethesda bascially claimed Oblivion as Morrowind 2.0, so I am looking forward to Skyrim, but not with the same anticipation as I did with Oblivion. I just don't want to be let down again.

Then agian, Morrowind was a big let down after playing Daggerfall, and then turned to be my favorite game of all time. Oblvion my top 5, so maybe being a dispaointment in the begining is not a bad thing after all. All that means it will grow and become a game on it's own instead of being 2.0.

I really think that Bethesda have had a few years to look at the mods and all the topic in these forums to know that this time they can really be more imaginative,not that oblivion still wasn't a great game but it could of been so much more. My had goes out to the modders because without their hard work i think many would of stopped playing oblivion a while ago.

Dude I enjoyed Oblivion a lot as well, in fact it's what got me into morrowind in the first place(played morrowind a bit before it came out though because of the hype). It was even the first game I played on my xbox 360 and probably the game i have spent most hours on. Check out my gamertag i downloaded all the dlcs and have all the achievements/quests done. Now all I am saying, is that the majority of people who have played both, preferred morrowind over oblivion. However it looks like the development team did not notice this or chose to ignore it simply because of how much attention/praise oblivion got while gaining many new fans in the progress. Coming to the conclusion that they will most likely use oblivion as much more of an influence than morrowind.

Yes. Without a doubt, 100% sure and postive about the outcome. There's nothing that'll prevent me from buying this game.

I guess it depends on the person.

All of these lived up to the hype for me (the list of games that didn't disappoint me is almost every one I look forward to):
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy VI, VII, IX, X
Mass Effect (which I first started playing a couple weeks ago, it's better than I expected as far as my tastes go)
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Banjo-Tooie
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Xenogears (technically this wasn't hyped but it exceeded my expectations)
Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time
Metroid Prime

Those are off the top of my head games that I got all hyped for that either didn't disappoint me or exceeded my expectations.

I think easily the game that ever disappointed me most was Spore, which by extension is why I'm worried about the quote that most quests will be generated by Radiant Story. Radiant Story heavily reminds me of Spore's system for quests in its final stage. I really hope they pull it off well. I was worried about it when it was first announced, stopped worrying when I heard they are being careful about making sure it's fun, and then got worried anew when I heard the majority of the game's quests will be randomly generated.

As to the people preferring Morrowind if they played both, I think it would be interesting to see how it would look based on which game people played first. I played Morrowind second and though I did not finish it it did not pull me in like Oblivion did. I love both games but I'm just not "getting" why half the topics are "this should be like Morrowind and that should be like Morrowind." You can't judge what most fans want by an Internet message board either. Those of us that actually use these boards are a tiny minority of the series' actual fans. If these boards accurately reflected the fanbase Bethesda would be in trouble (due to not enough sales).

Bethesda has yet to disappoint me with TES games, and even with the fallout series. I have no doubt this game will at least be good, if not awesome.

Well, it's a rule of thumb i go by. I beleive it's true, so i avoid all hype, and have never been disappointed